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    #16
    Originally posted by PPlate
    Thanks, I was taught this too, but not the option to stack him, Rather it was to knee over one of his legs, or do the pass under thing. So is it a bad idea to pass under the legs?
    Please don't use the term "pass under", as it leads to confusion between the double underhook leg scoop variants that phrase is more commonly used to describe and the technique you're talking about.

    You have to control both legs at all times with these kinds of passes. In the one you're talking about, the explosive lift from underhooking one leg needs to be counterbalanced by keeping your opponent's other leg pinned flat to the mat or you'll be triangled. This isn't a bad pass done right, but it's horrid if you don't control the other leg. You probably won't get side control from it though as people will turtle instead.

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      #17
      Originally posted by PPlate
      When passing the opponent's guard, is there any good reason to pass under the legs?

      To my super highly limited knowledge of BJJ, when you pass over the guard, you:

      1) Expend way way less energy, just put one knee over and you're done and in cross mount. You even get the chance to hurt his leg a little when you put your shinbone and your entire weight over his inner-thigh when you're passing.
      Dude, if you can just put one knee over and be done without any problems, you are a fucking stud!!!!

      Seriusly though, how can you say one can just put one knee over and be done? Maybe against a mentally handicap who's lying dead under you. Have you tried this against somebody with an active guard during sparring?????

      Originally posted by PPlate
      Nope, I mean cross mount.

      If you're moving to your right, you either

      1) Put your left knee over his left thigh and bring right leg over, then you're in cross mount
      How the fuck are you going to bring your right leg over as you are moving to your right if your left knee is still on his thigh? Moreover, how the hell are you going to move your left knee to his left thigh????

      In the unlikely case this even occurs, if you had you left knee on his left tight and you move your right leg over (I'm assuming your torso move to your right while you right leg is carried over to your opponent's left... following this horrible description), your midsection would be more or less over his hips. A good crossmount would put you over his torso.

      And this is all assuming your opponent is laying dead and limb as opposed to moving to put you on half-guard. Where the hell did you get this anyway?????

      Originally posted by PPlate
      2) Put right shin on his leg (el macho: which leg??? What happened to your opponent's guard???), bring left leg over (el macho: Dude, over where??? Is your opponent's guard similar to Jenna Jameson's legs spread???) so your lower torso if facing sideways because your legs are crossed (el macho: SAY WHAT????), then flip back and tuck knees against opponent's side so you're in cross mount.
      :icon_scra

      Originally posted by PPlate
      Why does this thread get sent to gitmo and locked? Is there some rules to posting technique quesitons here? When I asked in the grappling section I was told to post it here...
      Maybe because you are not just asking a question, but trying to explain a technique in a way that sounds just too craptacular to be kept in DHS.

      I'm a noob too. But seriously dude, what you said just doesn't compute. Either they are teaching you shit, or you don't know how to describe it. :icon_conf

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        #18
        Originally posted by PPlate
        Pls enlighten me, is there a rule here against asking techniqe questions?

        If so pls tell me and I'll take it elsewhere.
        You are VASTLY oversimplifying the technical components and necessities inherent in a "guard pass". I suppose you can generally state that most guard passes go either "through and over" (knee through the middle type) or "under and around" (double or single leg stack).

        BUT the variety of passes in BJJ are HUGE. You question would be better asked if you referred to difficulty you are having with the minutia of a specific pass rather that asserting the generalization that "through and over" type passes are better and simpler than "under and around" type passes.

        During active rolling the variables are too numerous to provide you with a good answer to your generalized questions regarding guard passing. Putting aside the faulty technique description pointed out by Macho, I can sort of gather what you are referring to. However, your statement that "once the knee is through your done" is simply wrong.

        If you are trying to pass someone with even a mildly resistant guard there are a number of steps to get over to secure good side control once you have your knee through and down assuming you have been able pin the cross leg.

        Point being, be very specific with your question as there are a lot of technically competent BJJers here who will be quickly put off by a generalization concerning any set of BJJ techniques, guard passes, like the majority of other technique subsets in BJJ can be highly technical and generalizations are just not appropriate and will not help you to progress in the art.
        Last edited by GoldenJonas; 10/23/2006 11:54am, .

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          #19
          Originally posted by El Macho
          Dude, if you can just put one knee over and be done without any problems, you are a fucking stud!!!!

          Seriusly though, how can you say one can just put one knee over and be done? Maybe against a mentally handicap who's lying dead under you. Have you tried this against somebody with an active guard during sparring?????

          How the fuck are you going to bring your right leg over as you are moving to your right if your left knee is still on his thigh? Moreover, how the hell are you going to move your left knee to his left thigh????

          In the unlikely case this even occurs, if you had you left knee on his left tight and you move your right leg over (I'm assuming your torso move to your right while you right leg is carried over to your opponent's left... following this horrible description), your midsection would be more or less over his hips. A good crossmount would put you over his torso.

          And this is all assuming your opponent is laying dead and limb as opposed to moving to put you on half-guard. Where the hell did you get this anyway?????
          I think he's trying to describe the knee-through pass and the cross-knee pass, both of which I was taught in both BJJ & no-gi; they work better for me no-gi, because it's easier to slip the knee through & free the trail foot without the gi friction. They're both valid & effective passes; I'm not going to try to describe them, but I think they're shown in "Passing the Guard" and the Royler Gracie sub grappling book.

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            #20
            I think I know which you are referring to. I'm getting "Passing the Guard" from amazon anytime soon. Still, I'm reading PPlate's description and it doesn't click. Sorry PPlate, not that I'm trolling you, but I'm like this: :icon_scra

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