Wing Tsun is an absolute Joke

[Goju - Joe]

So exactly what did he do?

What did you attempt to do and how did he counter and block it?

[bricklin316]

I was not attempting to boast only to share my experience in being exposed to wing chun. I had the same arrogant nothing else works or is better than BJJ attitude that alot of grapplers have . No offense but some of you know what I am talking about. I went into Sifu Ali school very skeptical , I am that way by nature. The first question I asked him was what would you do against a grappler or muay thai guy. He said well attack me , don't hold back. So I attacked him. I was literally dizzy and my vision blurry and my hands were trapped. this man f**ked me up quick.with ease. He of course showed me what he did . I was blown away.I am not trying to down any martial art or convince any one of anything . I am simply sharing my experience with you.This was not a one time thing.I have seen him regularly knock 6'4" 240 lb guys around like kids. effortlessly.I have been hit by heavyweights in the ring and have a very good chin. But when this little guy hits you its lights out. For who hate the " real wing chun cliche" what real wing chun did you see? who was the Sifu?

[bricklin316]

My Sifu is Khaleef Ali www.invisibledragons.com he has been practicing wing chun for 40 years. He went through the wing chun system 4 times under Hawkins cheung ( who trained under Yip Man with bruce lee in hong kong), Grandmaster Moy yat, and two of yip mans sons. This is all fact. look it up.

[bricklin316]

Allow me to clear up a few things. For the guy that said my grappling instructor was subbpar , you obviously don't know anything about martial arts or you are just not that good. I trained under lloyd Irvin (www.lloyd Irvin.com). Since you are obviously clueless do some research and find out for yourself if he is subpar. Allow me to save you some trouble. Light heavyweight vale tudo champion in Brazil, Light heavywight muay thai champion , black belts in BJJ, Sambo, and Judo.He is the first black American to earn a black belt in BJJ in Brazil. he is also in the grappling hall of fame or black belt hall of fame I can't remember which one.He has been featured in countless magazines in Brazil as well as Ralph Gracies earlier videos.If you are a Judo person you should have heard of Rhadi Ferguson who was on the U.S. Olympic team and will be trying for the next olympics. Guess who he trains with? good answer Lloyd Irvin. He also trains with Top team in Brazil and if you keep up with MMA or BJJ in general you will know some of his friends and training partners.I trined with him for 4 years. His school is in Camp Spriings MD near AAFB. My name is Charles Gray. Ask him if I did. Everything I said is fact but don't take my word for it find out for yourself. Also his Before you post something know what you are talking about

[bricklin316]

Unlike a lot of wing chun schools I came across. You actually touch hands with Sifu Ali.

[Goju - Joe]

Here's a decent SJJ clip I have posted before

http://www.google.com/videoplay\?doc...52&q=wkf+jitsu

[K-Ron]

Train how you fight, fight how you train. I went to seminar just before xmas where the main point of the day was to get the mental side of a fight. Was a bit abstract but it did help me develop my focus which has benifitted me in training as I don't get easily destracted anymore so I got alot more out of training.

[Goju - Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDULGLTBdlY

I was basically trying to do that, but grap the Gi around the wrists (which might have been my mistake) I also didn't bring me feet in as much. Eddie Bravo is awesome

Live an learn

as far as SJJ goes for tournaments scoring unfortunalty for strikes is a bit too subjective.

SJJ as a training method in a school for getting people used to combining, striking, throwing and submissions is good and something a lot pf places should incorporate

When I sparred on Wednessday there was no score keeping, or ground time limit.

And we used as, my sensei said - good solid realistic strikes because you don't want to train for point sparring and try and score a point on the street in a real confrontation.

[Hedgehogey]

On A side note in an advance class on Wednessday I did 15 minutes of SJJ sparring and learned that pulling guard when the guy's alowed to punch you in the head on the ground is not the best idea :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDULGLTBdlY

[Hedgehogey]

I've done one SJJ tournament before. The striking dynamics are fairly unrealistic. The concept would be workable if they scored points for strikes that work in MMA. But they don't.

At least it exposed me to what a good BJJ blue can do, and the permanent chip in my left forearm thanks me for it.

[K-Ron]

It is recognised that Bruce Lee didn't finish his WC training which may of made a difference it may of not, who knows? The point is he realised he was limited with what he knew so he expanded on this my incorporating other MA's and prity much integrated them into the WC principles. It is said that Wong Shun Lueng (Bruce's main instrutor in WC) was amazed how Bruce had managed to fill in the gaps and prity much come up with what he had missed from his training (Or something along those lines).

[K-Ron]

I do realise there are differences between light contact and full contact and thank you PPlate for pointing them out.

Ok I'll start with Tonuzaba's questions:-

Video Evidence- there mite be I'll have to ask some of the guys if they filmed it as there where a few of the guys with cameras so there is a posibilility but I don't know as of yet.

Rules- http://www.cmgc.ca/jiu_jitsu_rules.htm (There are slight differences like at my level there is no striking when a clinch happens or striking on the ground).

Contact- as GoJu - Joe said for lower belts only light contact bout's are allowed and as you progress through the belts more contact is allowed up to black belt which is all full contact.

Box- I was ment to be wearing one but I haven't got round to buying one yet. My sensei was happy that neither me or my opponent where wearing them. I was under the impression they where optional but apparently I was wrong and i'm deffinatly gona wear one next time.

Hope that cover all you wanted to know. Don't worry I do realise that SJJ isn't completely realistic (especially at my level) but it's a good way to train and get used to the feeling of being in a more dynamic and free fight. At the end of the day theres more rules for amatures cause you want to avoid injuries where as the pro's get paid for there pains.

Also for the record Bruce Lee rules and there is alot Martial Artists can learn from him he was one of the fore runners for MMA and deserves respect for that cause most of us wouldn't be either doing MA or discussing them if it weren't for people like him.

[knuckle dragger]

Jeet Kun DO?
That's the stuff made up by that guy who didn't get to learn the whole wing chun system?
Lead hand striking?
N00b much?

Your telling me Bruce Lee did not know enough Wing Chun? Actually after he fought in a challenge match and was suprised by the ineffectiveness of Wing Chun he then began to incorporate other styles into his own.

Jeet Kun do was the result.

Strong hand/leg lead is actually an effective technique in some situations because it intercepts the opponents forward movement with force. Hence, "the way of the intercepting fist"

Some professional boxers have fought strong side forward, former champion Micheal Moorer is an example. I don't think it is a technique for every situation though because power is sacrificed for speed and accuracy.

As far as me being a noob. So what? The amount of posts on a internet web site prove nothing more than you have a lot of free time on your hands.

[Tonuzaba]

You're doing a good job, keep it up, bro!

[Hanniballistic]

No, I'm not Rickson.
And I'm not bashing Bruce.
Unlike many loudmouths here I respect him for all the hard and dedicated training and thinking within martial arts.
I just like to make fun of people who think that in their hands something that B.L. developed for himself (based on wing chun) is a priori better than wing chun...

Just living up to my reputation as a resident Bruce Lee nutrider....yee ha!