Wing Tsun is an absolute Joke

[mbrown1982]

Just my personal experience on this but I took ving tsun for a year or so probably 6 years ago. and after training at a MMA gym for 2 months a little while ago, I have no doubt that id never use any form of -ing -un in a fight. thats just me though.

[Dagon Akujin]

I thought that _ing _un was a fighting art? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but I think I disagree. If being stronger helps you win in sparring and fighting then I would say it matters (i.e. you would benefit from working to increase your strength). On what grounds do you say that strength does not matter in _ing _un?

Semantics, semantics. Learning techniques and a system is much different than being a "fighter". I could be great at chi sau, or a completely dominant competetor in judo, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I can fight. Both may help in a fight, but they are not themselves fighting. Strength will help a good deal in a fight, but it's not going to overpower much technique in chi sau or other _ing _un drills.

To quote a FAQ from one of the branches in my family:

"Q: Will Ving Tsun make you a good fighter?
A: To be a good fighter you must first, go get into a fight, then get into another and then another and so on. Then after a while you will be a pretty good fighter. Ving tsun will give you the advantage though."

That's all.

Dagon

[Firebrand]

Lets see if we can make it simple. Strength and size matters in a fight.

However, the goal of every martial art is to try to minimize this difference through technique. BJJ tries to do this through leverage. WC/VT tries to do it in their own way (the effectiveness of which has been endlessly and endlessly debated). The merit of the strategy of the respective system depend on how effective the practioner is on keeping the fight on his terms. Some like BJJ do it better than others. If a martial art is entirely predicated on superior strength or size, who in their right mind would want to learn it?

[PointyShinyBurn]

6 months isn't a long time to become an expert in something.

If your saying it's crap, well maybe it's crap. I'd love to have a dllar for every post here I've read where someone's put a few months into something then decided how horrible it was.
I think a lot of people are quickly let down by marial arts because they join and expect instant results.

After 6 months of BJJ, all the white belts I know can violate, at will, any untrained newb who doesn't posess a substantial physical advantage, and many who do. If you're not getting similar results from your training, you should ask yourself why.

I've always thought that learning martial arts is just that. You're learning an art, so to speak. YOU the person is the key factor in deciding on whether what you learn saves your life or teaches you how to fight.

However good a student you are, it won't help you if what you're being taught is bullshit.

[JohnnyCache]

Wing chun, in my personal experience and the shared experience of people on this forum, makes people worse fighters. Leave. Tell the teacher you don't feel you're getting what you paid for, and you'd appreciate it if he'd let you out of the contract, or fake a move.

[JohnnyCache]

:eatbaby: as far as strength is concerned WT teaches you to use your body structure instead of just your arm muscles

Wing chun punching has terrible force mechanics, and no organized fighting syle (not even wing chun) teaches punching using only your arm muscles.

[vigilus]

Hey PointyShinyBurn,

Good points.
I'm still a little iffy around someone with 6 months critiquing various martial arts. Ya I'm sure in some cases a dojo or whatever is RIGHT out to lunch and dispite the 30 or 60 students someone has, mr 6 month is the only one who realises it's BS.
Sometimes people hit th enail on the head and schools are RTFO and other times I think they just don't like it, don't fit in or don't know what their doing.

Like kids quitting the army after a short short stint. "This is all bullshit". It's usually the guys who don't feel challanged and see themselves as some highscpeed low drag delta force operator. They quit and spend forever bitching about it :)

You're right being taught bullshit is garbage. Whats important is knowing whats actually bullshit and what someone just 'isn't getting'.

[GIJoe6186]

6 months is plenty of time to critique an art. Unless you think your an idiot and can't comprehend anything on your own, in that case your just an idiot.

Heres an idea and something I owuld do if I was in your situation. HAVE AS MUCH FUN AS POSSIBLE!

Your entitled to the class, you pay for it. Be disruptive and maybe even get it all videotaped by freinds.
1)Ask stupid questions, I mean realy realy dumb. When he performs a technique ask him "what goes in a vagina?" or "I think I pooed myself, whos checking for me?". Im being totally serious here.

2)Start training at a boxing place right away, theyre usually cheap and maybe make him look like a tool.

3)Take up as much class time as possible, go in late, fall down when your punching in for people, fall down for no reason at all!

4)Eat a shitload of food before training, I mean tons. Then maybe gulp down excessive amount of NOXPLODE, and puke everywhere in class. Do that like 10 times.

5)Use your imagination, remember your paying for this shit so make him pay for it too. At the least it will be real fun.

Think of yourself as Johnny Knoxville, just dont do anything illegal or that would break the contract you signed. I doubt they put in an anti-puking clause.

[vigilus]

6 months is plenty of time to critique an art. Unless you think your an idiot and can't comprehend anything on your own, in that case your just an idiot.

Depends on how checked out the person is doesn't it? Some people pick up on stuff right away, others could be in a martial art for 3 years and never get it.

All I'm saying is not everyone can make bang on judgement calls. We've seen how many examples on this forum? Some guys really know their shit and call BS when they see it, others come on here with a vain attempt to trash a school they didn't like or to fit in the crowd. (trolling)

Anyways, ss for your clever points, what can I say why hold back dude? i think you're on to something.
Just puking 10 times? Why not shit your pants or better yet, shit your pants and start throwing it at people.
Adults acting like retards is timeless humor. I can't think of a better way to spend my time (training in martial arts, women, drinking, shooting etc..) then throwing my shit at people, making myself barfing like a fat highschool girl or asking other guys about vagina's. Maybe you can throw some boy kissing in there too ;)

Baring that someone COULD go back to the school and ask intelligent questions and for the remainder of the contract attempt to point out to other students how the school/style does indeed not work thus maybe causing other students to leave the school, possibly finding a better school to join.

[Shawarma]

The entire POINT of wing chun punches is for them to be weak, but make up for quality with quantity. I always laff when people tell me that WC punches are as strong as boxer punches "When you Apply The Principles" or some shit like that.

[Nid]

Any hotties there?

[kaiche]

I myself partook in a WT class today. Not very good.

[Granto]

as far as strength is concerned WT teaches you to use your body structure instead of just your arm muscles

As opposed to..

other martial arts?

or someone completely untrained?

[JohnnyCache]

Baring that someone COULD go back to the school and ask intelligent questions and for the remainder of the contract attempt to point out to other students how the school/style does indeed not work thus maybe causing other students to leave the school, possibly finding a better school to join.

Yeah, except actually paying your own money to be a missionary in someone else's school is a pretty raw deal.

[GIJoe6186]

Its your money. Remember we all have been through shit like this before, thats why were here now. Everyone tends to hold instructors in such high regards and make it seem like you have to do what they say.

At my old Kempo school the instructor was like god. They are at most TMA places. Why not put them in their place. Always remember, you paid for a product that did not meet its claims.

Once again, anyone who tells you 6 months is not long enough to test an art...is...you know... dur-dur-duuuuuurrrrrrrrrr. Why isnt that long enough? I was told I was suppossed to wait a few years before I finally understood Kempo, I think thats so you don't leave and keep paying and eventualy buy into the dogma. Even if you had no martial arts experience you can tell. I met with guys who had none and told me about going to schools and quitting after a month because they thought it was bullshit. They were right too!