Wing Tsun is an absolute Joke

[babo78]

Anyway I wouldn't recommend it.

Chances of anyone finding real legtimate and capable _ing _un school is very low. Just like TKD.

Do yourself a favor and given what you said about your school...I'd just quit right now and forget rest of contract. Building bad habits is far worse than not taking advantage of your contract time (6 more months).

Time it takes to break someone out of bad habit and then additional time to learn good habit is a lot of time.

Cut your loses and move to something you may enjoy more. If you enjoy hockey, try Boxing or Judo. Fist fights and takedowns are nice =P

And be wary of defenders of _ing _un who will try to bury you because they especially like to pick on newbies.

[datdamnmachine]

if your instructor says theres a difference between wing tsun and wing chun he's a fucking moron, thats like saying gung fu, gong fu, and kung fu are all different. wing chun doesnt *suck* your school sucks. apparently a lot of wing chun schools are total bullshit, even tho you'll probably never want to do wing chun again, if you go to a wing chun school ask if they spar full contact, and see if theres any protective pads, gloves, headgear you have to buy in your *package* to start training. if theres not your schools a joke.

i know everyone hates wing chun so i wont try to convince you otherwise.

I'm one of those people that think _ing _un sucks but I like the point you make about what gear you have to buy as part of a package. If the _ing _un uniform is stressed more then say handwraps, boxing gloves, headgear, etc then you pretty much know where this club stands on contact and resistance.

[Epicurus]

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Our instructor keeps saying that muscle mass doesn't matter in WIng Tsun. That's absolute bull sh*t. None of the other students has a chance vs me when we fight. I even smacked the instructor down once when he wanted to demonstrate some grappling attacks on me.

Man, I love that one. I can see people saying that in certain grappling arts such as Judo or BJJ, where it's still BS but at least is more plausible because those arts are not predicated on using strength to beat your opponents (i.e. you can win using primarily good technique) but unless I am TOTALLY misinformed, _ing _un is a striking art meant to KO your opponent, right? How the hell is muscle mass irrelevant?

Pretty much every striking art uses technique to magnify the physical power of the practitioner, not replace it. If I can be shown a striking art in which superior strength (muscle mass is generally a very good indicator) is not a major asset, I will rethink this position. Let the Dim Mak begin!

[datdamnmachine]

WTF piece of shit WT school did you go to? theres no fuckin reason why he should be trying to teach you grappling. From my experiences there is NO way shape or form of grappling in WT

Well it's common knowlege that once grappling was shown to be dominent against striking arts in MMA and whatnot everyone started running back to their own martial art trying to "rediscover" the grappling hidden in their art...i.e., techniques hidden in kata and whatnot. Others, started creating crap basically.

[gecco69]

All we had to buy as part of the package was a WT T-shirt & if wanted some mitts.

There has to be a difference between Wing Tsun & Wing Chun.

As we have one guy in the Class who trained Wing Chun for 3 years.

But when he joined our WT class he had to start at Level 1 again!!!!


The WT class I go to teaches the arts from Yip Man, Leung Ting & Kernspecht (Sorry If I got the spelling wrong but I'm not that interested...) and is called Wing Tsun.

Personally I don't know the difference between the _ing _un.

[vigilus]

6 months isn't a long time to become an expert in something.

If your saying it's crap, well maybe it's crap. I'd love to have a dllar for every post here I've read where someone's put a few months into something then decided how horrible it was.
I think a lot of people are quickly let down by marial arts because they join and expect instant results. I've always thought that learning martial arts is just that. You're learning an art, so to speak. YOU the person is the key factor in deciding on whether what you learn saves your life or teaches you how to fight.

As well, since your still training (that contract excuse doesn't cut it) I'm not sure how much you should be bitching about it.
You look pretty dumb going to something that your not enjoying OR learning from.
Jokes on you.

An absolute joke is signing up for something for a year without doing any recce.
For future reference have sex with the girl you plan to marry BEFORE walking down the isle ;)

Don't sign contracts!
Do some research!

[gecco69]

Yes I know I'm an Idiot for signing the years contract, but as I said I enjoyed it the first month.

+it still gives me a change in my weeks work out routine. Instead of running at night I go to the class 3 times a week.


imho it'd be more idiotic paying & not going.

[Neildo]

I'd love to have a dllar for every post here I've read where someone's put a few months into something then decided how horrible it was.

Dude, it's Wing Tsun. It's horrible by default.

[Southpaw]

if your instructor says theres a difference between wing tsun and wing chun he's a fucking moron, thats like saying gung fu, gong fu, and kung fu are all different.

This is wrong. There are major technical and theoretical differences between what Leung Ting does and traditional wing chun.

[Southpaw]

gecco69...

If you don't like it...and want your money back. Don't quit, get kicked out.

[Dr._Tzun_Tzu]

I understand, I was talking about "free lat sau" this is what we do the last 10 minutues of the class. Where everyone fights each other using WT only.

Cool, Free Lat sau is basically WT kickboxing/sparring. I am not surprized someone athletic and with hockey fighting experience is better then other students with more time in. Real fighting is the best experience training you can get. I understand your impression that it must suck if the students are sucky, but the students may just suck to begin with?

He specifically said to me to resist the attack to make it as realistic as possible.

HeHeHe...ok. I gotta ask, does this teacher have the title SiFu or something less? I am not sure what kinda WT grappling move he was showing, maybe some passive restraints for police/security? WT doesn't have grappling. Anyway, I have students pull stuff off all the time on me, but I am not a Sifu. Sometimes I do a mistake in demo, sometimes they get the best of me, sometimes I am supressing certain things to try to bring out the contact from them. I am only human and learning it as we go to.


So you gotta look at the overall concepts and goal and if that training will produce that result in you. What the other people are doing is their problem. This is true for any Martial Art. So This WT school may suck because you cannot get anything out of it (bad instruction, bad theory), not just because the other sorry ass people there are failing.

There never was a rule that we have to stick to WT Style only. They probably decided that it looks bad for WT if they let me continue.

O, OK. I infered it was a WT tourny. Normally we do it that way. In EBMAS Open tourny, if you can pull off non-EBMAS stuff, like single legs or takedowns, you get extra points. They have only had these in Germany and Turkey so far.

This happened at Grade 5. I haven't done this grade as I haven't graded since the 1st one.
I rather take my wife out for a meal that give WT more of my money.

??? No comprenda, unless you mean the other guy got grade 5? Look, your comparing yourself to others again. WT should be about YOU. The system is graded on the lowest standard for the whole planet. Any regular, non athletic, human should be able to pass all the tests up to 10th student. It just requires attendence, effort, and minimal skill. The tests are just about you, not a comparision with the other students. Each person is looked at from what they have done themselves to improve. Its not a contest.

But I would rather take my girl out too. Our tests have always been $20 USD and if you fail to pass then you go again tell you do, no more charge. Thats pretty cheap. Sounds like yours was 3 times that much?

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It sounds like not only does the Wing Tsun in your country suck, but you also suck at being a student. Find a better instructor..


Maybe so.

WT is very difficult to teach and to learn. Most people that are successful at it learned how to learn Martial Arts in a different traditional style first. It takes a gifted instructor to teach you how to learn. So keep that in mind when you go shopping for something else. It takes two.......Most WT instructors are really just higher level students. The Instructor is whoever coes around and gives seminars.

I don't bully anyone. Everyone in the Class does the same thing. Only higher levels and lower levels are seperate.

I assumed so because it sounds like this instructor is just a working group leader making it up by copying more traditional approachs. A new beginner may get alot of form time to learn it, but after that it is up to them to improve on their own time. I just threw in the bully thing just incase, well and I thought you are a troll :usa2:

I'm still playing. It's great. Thank you.

Cool. Try Latosa Escrima it uses a stick too...:-)

Thank you very Much. And thanks for your comments. I was hoping for some information from someone else that has/is trained WT.

I have been more specific with my answers so I'd welcome your comments.

Chun in general and WT in specific as a well deserved reputation for sucking on here for good reason. There is a Gem in the rough in there, but mostly it is lumps of coal. EBMAS broke off for various reasons but a big one was the EWTO fee structure and the suppression of important techniques because of it and Latosa Escrima (which we do in conjunction).

Try Judo.

[Evil Betty]

Yes I know I'm an Idiot for signing the years contract, but as I said I enjoyed it the first month.

+it still gives me a change in my weeks work out routine. Instead of running at night I go to the class 3 times a week.


imho it'd be more idiotic paying & not going.

Personally, I'd pay the $300 not to train in _ng _un.

Don't train in the art if you're not serious about it. _ng _un sucks enough on it's own (and it sounds like your instructor is especially sucky), but wasting your time training in a style that you know sucks and you aren't serious about is really putting the icing on the suck cake. Don't reinforce bad muscle movements, dude.

[hate2beU]

Also we had a guy in our class that only went once to a training in 2 months & was still allowed to grade & move up to the next level. (as long as they get the money they don't care).

When this happened I decided not to take part in gradings anymore.


As this is my only Martial Arts experienc & it is a very bad one.

I wouldn't know what else to start with after my contract finishes.

So Phil Elmore is your classmate then...:ninja2:

[Dagon Akujin]

I only mentioned that in regards to that my Sifu (and everyone else in WT) is saying that strengh doesn't matter in WT.

Strength DOES NOT really matter in WT/WC/VT. However, that in no way means that strength doesn't matter in a fight.

Oh no, looks like you didn't do the REAL wing tsun! You should have done wing CHUN instead. That would have made you an unstoppable owner-machine in just a week.

Spelling is everything.

But he needs to do Ving Tsun!!! Oh noes! Or at least Vịnh X

gecco69...

If you don't like it...and want your money back. Don't quit, get kicked out.

Best... Advice... Yet...

Dagon

[Epicurus]

Strength DOES NOT really matter in WT/WC/VT. However, that in no way means that strength doesn't matter in a fight.

I thought that _ing _un was a fighting art? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but I think I disagree. If being stronger helps you win in sparring and fighting then I would say it matters (i.e. you would benefit from working to increase your strength). On what grounds do you say that strength does not matter in _ing _un?