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    Point sparring the good and bad

    I don't do, and am not terribly interested in doing single point sparring, however I think it's original intention in Karate was to provide a safe way to do full/hard contact sparring. That you would fight until the first person landed a real solid hard strike and then stop and then continue thus making it a bit safer

    Here's an example of what it should look like
    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...8522661&q=goju

    some nice knock downs starting around the 1.30 minute mark

    As was posted in another thread here is what point sparring has generally become.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4pTNRL2B00

    Over protected and hyped up tag.

    #2
    That's not what anyone means anymore by point sparring.
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      #3
      What do you consider single point sparring then

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        #4
        Originally posted by GoJu - Joe
        What do you consider single point sparring then
        first player to tap the other wins that point. Reset. til the round is over.
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          #5
          Point sparring is dumb, gear or not, but if that's what people want to do more power to them.

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            #6
            I find it helps your distancing, timing and footwork in general. You have to stay out of range, get in and hit the guy first; all valuable skills. If you leave your hands down or have any other glaring openings the other guy will usually hit you anyway. I was always getting caught flat-footed in kickboxing and getting lit up because I couldn't control angles and distance, but after taking some time to spar in the Shotokan classes at our school I found my kickboxing was much improved when I went back.

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              #7
              If people wanna do it as a sport, thats no issue. Its when they think that its effective training for real fighting then it becomes a problem

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                #8
                My point was that in the old school Karate point sparring was a way to do hard contact sparring. It wasn't first light tap get the point, but first hard hit

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by GoJu - Joe
                  My point was that in the old school Karate point sparring was a way to do hard contact sparring. It wasn't first light tap get the point, but first hard hit
                  I'm surprised with your experience on this site, that you really don't think that most McDojos have tended strictly toward your second video.
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                    #10
                    I know they have. My point isn't trying to validate what passes for point sparring in most mcdojos or competitions.

                    The point I am trying to make is that point sparring should be the first video not the second. And that point sparring as done in the first video has some merit where as point sparring in the second video has none.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by GoJu - Joe
                      I know they have. My point isn't trying to validate what passes for point sparring in most mcdojos or competitions.

                      The point I am trying to make is that point sparring should be the first video not the second. And that point sparring as done in the first video has some merit where as point sparring in the second video has none.
                      language is in flux. We have to try to speak so people understand us.
                      When I say car, I hope you think of a modern car, and not a light carriage pulled by one horse.

                      I think you'll have to live with point sparring meaning tippy-tap, and come up with another term for the older way, instead of refering to it as good point sparring.
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                        #12
                        Point sparring is for the "Karate Kid" and if there isn't any other kind of sparring to be done.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by GoJu - Joe
                          I don't do, and am not terribly interested in doing single point sparring, however I think it's original intention in Karate was to provide a safe way to do full/hard contact sparring. That you would fight until the first person landed a real solid hard strike and then stop and then continue thus making it a bit safer

                          Here's an example of what it should look like
                          http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...8522661&q=goju

                          some nice knock downs starting around the 1.30 minute mark

                          As was posted in another thread here is what point sparring has generally become.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4pTNRL2B00

                          Over protected and hyped up tag.
                          Interesting. I haven't seen point sparring done as it is in the first clip before. I think I can see how it could be valuable to use this format, maybe as a stepping stone to more continuous sparring later as it doesn't seem to unrealistically exagerrate the practicality of your strikes (they give a point after a knock down or the first good hit, not just a tap). The guys in that clip seemed pretty capable to me.

                          The second one I've seen before and is the sad state that the term "point sparring" tends to refer to now. It's crap.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shuma-Gorath
                            I find it helps your distancing, timing and footwork in general. You have to stay out of range, get in and hit the guy first; all valuable skills. If you leave your hands down or have any other glaring openings the other guy will usually hit you anyway. I was always getting caught flat-footed in kickboxing and getting lit up because I couldn't control angles and distance, but after taking some time to spar in the Shotokan classes at our school I found my kickboxing was much improved when I went back.
                            These qualities are all well and good but point sparring can give you some bad habits which I've noticed when I was doing it way back when. For example, I did no contact (ugh...) point sparring for probably about half a year (guessing) and one class I found myself doing something that was not good. I'd be in a match and we'd be exchanging strikes and blocks and whatnot and I would get one in that I would percieve was in and that I'd get a point for. I just sort of stopped and looked over waiting for Sensei to call it, but he didn't (apparently I was too far out of range or something). That would be a very bad thing to happen in a real fight (stop expecting the other to stop for whatever reason, knockout, loss of will to fight, etc). After bad habits like these get dead-set, they can be hard to train out. There are tradeoffs to this kind of sparring, I think if it's done right (more like the first clip) and balanced with other types of training and sparring, it may be useful, to a degree. But, most good fighters probably didn't need it to become good, so I don't really think it's necessary.

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                              #15
                              Stopping when you think you have scored a point is a bad habit in point fighting, and one that a good Instructor will get you to lose.
                              I teach my students to only stop when the Refferee says ,not when they think they have scored a point.

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