Originally posted by supercrap
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Congratulations Arhetton, on your acceptance of your saviour, our Lord (BJ)Jesus.
Your posting is the wet dream literature of anti- _ing_un-ism.
Now I would really dissapoint a couple of people here, if I would let your remarks pass by in silence.
What the hell could hold you back from stating the name of the school/teacher that made you waste 2 years of your life training bullshit? I really don't get it. If you buy rotten cheese somewhere, will you keep that shop's name secret on the "We love cheese" webforums? Why? Why not warn others? Why not expose a BS MA school?
So you say you trained some kind of wing chun for two years. Then you go on:
Arhetton]I think the biggest problem with the style is that there aren't any schools which emphasize teaching through sparring.
I think there are still a few techniques out there that haven't emerged into MMA yet, so I don't think its fully evolved, and maybe other styles still have something left to offer.
However apart from perhaps some traps, the majority of the wing chun system, IMO, is garbage.
Evolution, theres a word. Apparently, Wing Chun is supposed to mean 'eternal springtime' because its 'always growing'. There is no discussion about where the style is going, no understanding of trends in the wider world of martial arts (the emerged dominace of ground fighting) etc.
Apparantly sparring is unrealistic and doesn't prepare you for fighting but chi sau and forms will.
The wing chun stance/s is stupid
The guard is too outstretched
Apparently even beginners can knock out their opponent with the first hit (or the following 'elite' chain punching).
Most of the instructors teaching me had not been in a fight (ever) or not in the past ten years, hadn't visited another martial art school in a very long time (at least a year for most) and did not participate in any form of competition (friendly or unfriendly).
The defences taught against take downs were inadequate (downwards knife hand strike, elbow or knee).
Wing chun forms.... Hmmm. 1st. frond on stance. Bad. 2nd Side on stance, weight on rear leg - okay if you were fencing in medival times, but bad for hand to hand fighting. 3rd form - the only one that makes sense, elbow movements, rotation and flexion of the torso, this form basically looks something like boxing mixed with some mu thai.
Why should you even stay upright if the last (and best?) level of wing chun moves like a boxer anyway?
I never saw anyone fail a grading, even the students I knew should have failed - everyone who pays gets let through.
Another in a long line of sick schools, and a very sick system. Where is the great Wing Chun from legend? I couldn't tell you.
Tonuzaba
CLICK & WATCH: I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!
"Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce." - by Vorpal
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Sorry for making that long a chain-posting... For all those of you who didn't read my above monstrosity:
Arhetton, I am sorry you didn't like wing chun, good luck to you with whatever suits you!
Tonuzaba
CLICK & WATCH: I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!
"Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce." - by Vorpal
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Originally posted by Tonuzaba
After only 2 years of study I wouldn't allow myself the rudeness of criticizing ANY art I'd happened to learn. "The majority of the wing chun system" is something you have never encountered in your life.
No discussion with whom? With noobs who quit after two years because they did not understand what they were training?
so what, exactly, are the mysteries that WC/T, aikido, tai chi etc. are waiting to impart? why would someone who's trained for several years not have been shown this stuff? if these sytems do in fact impart combat effectiveness, why are they so goddamn slow about it?
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Founder/GrandSensei of Joint British / Papua New Guinean Non-contact Lawn Bowls Jiu Jitsu Committee
- May 2004
- 2296 Location: Least Cool Guy in all of Japan
Style: BJJ
Tonuzaba--I got news for you.
And I think you know it already.
YOUR MARTIAL ART SUCKS.
I'm sorry I can't be more eloquent about it.
It's good that you are hear on bullshido. You've got that tiny voice in your head now. You know, the one that says "What if they're right?"
Soon you'll have a choice to make. Leave the site, return to the kwoon, stamp the little voice quiet. Or, you can face up to yourself and be brave enough to admit you might be wrong.
Also, you smell.
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Originally posted by ArhettonI can't believe some of the stupid things I allowed myself to think and place my trust and safety in....
I am ready to start from scratch.
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Originally posted by G8I've seen this argument raised a number of times in this context, not regarding just WC/WT but many other styles as well, and I have a hard time buying it. if you train seriously for two-plus years in BJJ, MMA, muay thai, boxing, or wrestling, you're going to have acquired significant practical skills, and you're going for the most part to have seen everything there is to see. (sure, there are advanced techniques in BJJ, for example, that you likely wouldn't be training at that point, but they tend to be exotic and uncommon techniques for sportfighting. they're certainly not the core of the system, and their absence doesn't compromise BJJ's combat utility to any significant degree. no one pulls de la riva guard in a streetfight.) higher-ranking fighters in those styles aren't better because they have profoundly bigger knowledge bases but rather because they're simply more proficient at executing the basics effectively.
so what, exactly, are the mysteries that WC/T, aikido, tai chi etc. are waiting to impart? why would someone who's trained for several years not have been shown this stuff? if these sytems do in fact impart combat effectiveness, why are they so goddamn slow about it?
IN ONE FREAKING CLASS AT MY CURRENT GYM, I LEARNED MORE THAN I'D LEARNED IN 5 YEARS AND A BLACK BELT IN A TMA.
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Originally posted by SouthpawTwo years of training is plenty of time to determine if your school sucks or not.
Hell...you should be able to figure that out in two months.
People without exposure to real fight training will tend to not know if what they're doing is good or not. 2 months or two years.
Some people even get their ass whipped in fight after fight and go back to the system that fucked them up feeling that they failed the system.
"When i get my black belt...THEN i'll be able to really fight."
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Originally posted by RunningDogWhat was wrong with 'Amp'?
But some dude joined the site w/ the name Dionasaur AMP, and he said he was known as AMP on MAP. So that made me want to kill myself.
Take that with the birth of my daughter, and my taking a break from training wing chun (daily) and training BJJ full time...and I thought it was time for a change.
Change is good.
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