VERY confused MA NooB

[Teh El Macho]

While I certainly agree that you need to be in good physical shape, I would also say that unless your class is several hours long (as is mine) physical conditioning should be something you do on your time outside of class, while the class itself teaches you all the technique you need to know.

At one point my boxing class become pretty much entirely conditioning with no technical work, just doing sprints and other fitness drills. The class wasn't fun and wasn't what I wanted out of a boxing class (I wanted to learn to box) so I hardly ever went and instead spent that time sparring.

Of course a certain amount of conditioning during the class should go down, but most of that you can get from pad work. All the additional stuff like sprinting, skipping rope etc etc., IMO, are really only necessary for people that are already on the level where they're training to get ready to fight. EDIT: and as I said, I think that if you're at that level you should be putting in that additional work on your own time.

I know what you mean Ashley; honestly sometimes I feel exactly the same way sometimes at my BJJ class. A little bit less warmup and a bit more of drills (cuz they call it warmup, but that shit isn't warmup - it's bootcamp.)

However, I honestly believe this kid, Wooty, because the amount of PE vs the amount of fancy forms and yelling does not comform to what he say in "The Karate Kid" or Van Damme's "Kickboxer".

After all the comments and advice everybody has kindly given him, he is still trying to rationalize what he's been doing for the past half year plus all the notions he has about what the learning of a martial arts would/should be like.

Honestly, either this kid is in deep denial and beyond reach, or is incredibly lazy, or he is just someone pretending to be a n00b who has been trolling us all along.

[Robstafarian]

After all the comments and advice everybody has kindly given him, he is still trying to rationalize what he's been doing for the past half year plus all the notions he has about what the learning of a martial arts would/should be like.

I'm reading it very differently. To me, it sounds like his initial rationalization has caused him to go too far in the other direction. He seems to be so interested in sparring that the lack of sparring in the class he attended really put him off. In other words, I think he's feeling that he went from forms and no real sparring to PE and no real sparring, after he was taught the value of sparring. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's too soon to write him off.

[Teh El Macho]

I'm reading it very differently. To me, it sounds like his initial rationalization has caused him to go too far in the other direction. He seems to be so interested in sparring that the lack of sparring in the class he attended really put him off. In other words, I think he's feeling that he went from forms and no real sparring to PE and no real sparring, after he was taught the value of sparring. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's too soon to write him off.

Hmmmm, interesting theory. Shit, it could be true!!! If that's the case, I'd retract my words. If that's the case, this dude deserves some props because at least he is trying :)

[rokutanda]

You may want to research the following in Santiago...

http://www.karateoyama.cl/
Kyokushin Karate is known as a style that spars hard and often...

http://www.gtp.gr/TDirectoryDetails.asp?ID=54286
Judo is a good style that also practices with resistant opponents a good
part of the time (randori).

If you could train both, that'd be good.

I used to live in Santiago from about 1981-1983, I believe, and then again from
1986-1988. Back then I took Taekwondo but got fed up with it and joined
Enzo Ramirez's Goju-Ryu school. I forgot the address, but they did a lot of
medium and full contact sparring at Enzo's school back then. You may also
want to look them up and check them out if they're still around.

If you can find a mixed martials arts school where they teach striking
(Muay Thai, boxing, kickboxing), wrestling and submissions (Brazilian Jiujitsu,
sambo), that's your best bet. Like others posted, Kung Fu isn't going to
teach you good fighting skills unless you happen to have a great teacher
(which is rare).

[RunningDog]

Yeah. That's me. I'm not a handsome man.



Meh. Thanks. Doesn't help my gr4ppl3 (too much)...

Don't put yourself down big man. Beauty is only skin deep:pity:

[Teh El Macho]

^^ dudes, you guys are making this thread sound like a discussion of "Brokeback Mountain"! LOL.

[Robstafarian]

^^ dudes, you guys are making this thread sound like a discussion of "Brokeback Mountain"! LOL.

"I'll never stop sparring you" :love4:

[LA-SU]

:XXpuke: :XXpuke: ..... no one fights fair most people have knives or guns forget elbows and knees.

[mrblackmagic]

I'm reading it very differently. To me, it sounds like his initial rationalization has caused him to go too far in the other direction. He seems to be so interested in sparring that the lack of sparring in the class he attended really put him off. In other words, I think he's feeling that he went from forms and no real sparring to PE and no real sparring, after he was taught the value of sparring. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's too soon to write him off.

It might just be scheduling. The MT gym I went years ago only sparred on the weekened. I mean we'd do technique and calistentics Mon-Thurs, but all friday we'd got at. It was like a test in school. They gave us the lesson, we see what you learned, and then we critique it to see what you need to work on.You could do it more if you asked. That's just common practice.

[Teh El Macho]

"I'll never stop sparring you" :love4:

Can I use my mango kimono??? It helps me with my "closet" guard... :occasion1

[WooTy]

I'm reading it very differently. To me, it sounds like his initial rationalization has caused him to go too far in the other direction. He seems to be so interested in sparring that the lack of sparring in the class he attended really put him off. In other words, I think he's feeling that he went from forms and no real sparring to PE and no real sparring, after he was taught the value of sparring. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's too soon to write him off.

yah preety much, thats the problem, im sorry to trouble u guys but im really tryng hard, this is a hard desition for me and i already noticed that kung fu sucked so its definetly not denial
i got a weird style called hankido wich is suposed to be a derivation of hapkido near my house, ill probably go to a class soon and tell u guys how the class went, hope it suits the way i want to train
about the exersises someone asked before, we did about 30 mins of jump rope, 10-15 mins of teaching hits then "exersises", from push ups to abs
they did about 600 abs 1200 legs exersises and 120 push ups, maybe for u guys its normal or something,but i just couldnt keep up
Elmacho, im sorry if i ever said anything to upset you but thx for keeping on posting, even if its just to get ur post number up ur still helping somehow but telling me im a retard or so, ur advices kinda got me =P as harsh as they were heh

[pauli]

if the workout kicks your ass, you might be in the right place.

[mrblackmagic]

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http://www.sangmookwan.com/page/7


http://www.ushapki.com/pages/hankido.php

[Trubble]

take a real martial art

[Robstafarian]

take a real martial art

Real helpful, is your name pronounced "Trollbble"?