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    Kung fu used to be t3h r34l?

    The topic comes up now and then that kung-fu training used to be full-contact competions, sparring and so on, but this tradition was lost or watered down into forms, disaster stances and other rubbish we tend to associate with kung-fu. I would like to know what the evidence is for this position. Are there historical accounts that can verify that this is true? What sources lend support to this view?

    #2
    Just looked it up in my Encyclopedia Britannica and found nothing. You win virus!

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      #3
      Forms and stances are not watered down from anything. They are part of the art.

      So what your question is, I'm guessing, is: Were there full contact kung fu competitions in the "old days"?

      If that is your question, the answer is "Yes, there were"

      The last one was in 1933 in Nanking called the Kua Shu Elimination Tournament. Then the communist takeover, Japanese invaders, WWII came into play, and that was that.
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        #4
        We need a more specific question Virus. Yes, forms in certain locals have been watered down, hence Modern Wushu.

        I'd argue Omega and Asia prove this point. Before you say something that is biased by supposed culture, do a little reserch.

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          #5
          Decent kung fu is still full contact. I don't think much has changed apart from commercialisation.

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            #6
            http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ht=translation

            there was this gem posted once on map. A user translated the diary of ye old relative who happened to be a soldier in the 18th century.

            Basic gist:

            Judo for the win.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MartialArtN00b
              http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ht=translation

              there was this gem posted once on map. A user translated the diary of ye old relative who happened to be a soldier in the 18th century.

              Basic gist:

              Judo for the win.


              Ummm Kano's Judo was invented in 1889. Therefore Judo for the win makes no sense form a 18th century (1700s) solider.

              There was a few Classical Jujutsu schools in Japan that been using the term Judo since the 1600s. But that more like Classical Jujutsu then Modern Judo.

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                #8
                Virus,

                Considering the Chinese had a pretty decent empire for a long while, they had to of had some good fighting systems. If the same systems are still taught or are they still effective, I don't know. But the fact the Chinese Empire existed for the time it did implies there was some real Kung Fu (Kung Fu meaning a Chinese MA).

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                  #9
                  This site might help you find what you're looking for.
                  http://crane.50megs.com/index.html
                  カンフー

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by pl4zM4
                    Ummm Kano's Judo was invented in 1889. Therefore Judo for the win makes no sense form a 18th century (1700s) solider.

                    There was a few Classical Jujutsu schools in Japan that been using the term Judo since the 1600s. But that more like Classical Jujutsu then Modern Judo.
                    Dude, i was joking.

                    Read the translation of the link, and youll see that its not crane beak to the eye. But put the guy on the ground/ pin/ and then kill.

                    In alive fashion

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by MartialArtN00b
                      Dude, i was joking.

                      Read the translation of the link, and youll see that its not crane beak to the eye. But put the guy on the ground/ pin/ and then kill.

                      Oh I get jokes.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mr. Jones
                        This site might help you find what you're looking for.
                        http://crane.50megs.com/index.html
                        Dubious at best.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by odacon
                          Dubious at best.

                          I don't know. I found the section on muay thai (http://crane.50megs.com/index6d.htm) to be somewhat intelligent.

                          The author basically says, "Hey, kung fu gets its ass handed to it by muay thai constantly. The only way to get around this is to start training like Thai boxers do and incorporating that into what we do." His optimistic idea that combining Baji and muay thai would produce the pinnacle of kung fu seems a bit sophomoric, but we've got some Baji practitioners around here... I'll let them make the call on that one.
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                            #14



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                              #15
                              Does'nt this belong in the Martial arts history project forum?:-S

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