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    Fang Shen Do clips of disaster

    Thought it would be a good idea to break off the video clips from the other thread to concentrate on them separately and leave the history alone.
    http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=sg74mp

    http://www.zippyvideos.com/4085184044519816/fsd-intro/

    http://www.zippyvideos.com/355676723...appling-intro/

    http://www.zippyvideos.com/8533047494519886/takedown7/

    http://www.zippyvideos.com/4350292464519946/takedown12/

    I would like to see a technical breakdown of the techniques, preferably from someone with a Wing chun background, as well as commentary on general effectiveness, possible counters, etc.

    #2
    Phon Sao

    Hi CDNRonin,
    I previously posted the follwing other thread. I will take the time to go through each of these videos. For you now that there is a place for them.

    So lets do an analysis of that Phon Sao Video shall we?

    Partner A is the initial Attacker,
    Partner B is the initial defender.

    Partner B (The short guy on the right with the yellow belt) nods his head to let his attacker know that he is confident and that now is the time to attack.

    Partner A (That's the bigger guy on the left) throws a fully extended punch that stops well short of Partner B's head. Contemptously waiting until after the punch comes to a complete stop, Partner B then raises his hand in some sort of blocking motion, perhaps intended to be a Bong Sao that rolls to a Ton Sao, only perhaps visualizing that he is swating a fly.

    Partner B then traps the fully extended arm that is still sitting with the fist in front of his face (using what vaguely like a Wing Chun Pak Sao, but low end) of Partner B and throws a punch that also stops fully extended about a foot short of Partner A's head. Partner A does a very soft Pak Sao (after the punch has already stopped) that Partner B will then Chin Sao around, but man that is a sloppy Chin Sao.

    Partner B looks away from his attacker and proceeds to attempt to trap the forearms of his partner A downwards (these would usually be called a Chin Sao and a Gum Sao in Wing Chun) then to flick his fingers around the kneck of Partner A in what looks like an attempt at a series of edge of hand blows. Since Partner B is not in any way comparable to a Carl Cestari, Partner A suffers no damage.

    View This Video
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't fuck with me!"

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      #3
      Very good takedown, if you don't mind the fact that the plonker is standing still with his right hand in the other guys face for about 4 seconds, AFTER THAT the other guy reacts, twists the guys wrist a little without any reaction or any sign of a defense/counter from him, and suddenly the attacker falls over, voila!

      Here's a good idea! Lets punch the air, stand still after we've extended our arm, with our chin up in the air in a perfect position for someone to pull it back!

      I'll just quote GoldenJonas for this one:

      "Score:

      Submissions - 0
      Submission Attempts - 0
      To Deadly For "Actual" Use Techniques - 10
      Chance of getting stomped by anyone who is NOT in a vegitative state - 100%"

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        #4
        Originally posted by illegal entry
        Very good takedown, if you don't mind the fact that the plonker is standing still with his right hand in the other guys face for about 4 seconds, AFTER THAT the other guy reacts, twists the guys wrist a little without any reaction or any sign of a defense/counter from him, and suddenly the attacker falls over, voila!



        Here's a good idea! Lets punch the air, stand still after we've extended our arm, with our chin up in the air in a perfect position for someone to pull it back!

        I'll just quote GoldenJonas for this one:

        "Score:

        Submissions - 0
        Submission Attempts - 0
        To Deadly For "Actual" Use Techniques - 10
        Chance of getting stomped by anyone who is NOT in a vegitative state - 100%"
        So, are you saying, no?

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          #5
          I like how the anti-grapple and wrist-locks are spoken in the same sentence as BJJ.

          The fact that he is trying to imply a connection between his shit and BJJ is outrageous.

          Now this is entertainment.

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            #6
            I'm in no way good at grappling as such, but from looking at those clips, they show all the stuff against someone who stands about and does absolutely nil to resist it. And honestly, how good does dodging a cross, going behind the guy, and pulling his chin backwards to make him fall over sound to you? If someone tried that I'd just try to elbow the _ing _unner in the face when I pull back my right hand. Compared that to different Judo throws or say a double leg takedown... So pretty much, No, it isn't effective. Sure, it might work in some way, but then again there's ALOT of things that would work much better then those two takedowns you linked.

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              #7
              Originally posted by illegal entry
              Very good takedown, if you don't mind the fact that the plonker is standing still with his right hand in the other guys face for about 4 seconds, AFTER THAT the other guy reacts, twists the guys wrist a little without any reaction or any sign of a defense/counter from him, and suddenly the attacker falls over, voila!
              As I said on an earlier thread, this is the same move Fedor uses except that when Fedor does it it looks like a double leg!

              TKD

              I'm working on a Brokeback Kung Fu thing right now but can't figure out how to call Fang Shen Do (hmm what about Fang Shen Doo Doo?) ghey without just coming out and saying it.

              THIS IS NOT AN EXIT


              "Ladies and gentlemen, the pilot has instructed everyone to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." Henry Rollins

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                #8
                Originally posted by TKD Black Belt
                As I said on an earlier thread, this is the same move Fedor uses except that when Fedor does it it looks like a double leg!
                So Fedor actually got all his wins and became the Pride Champion thanks to _ing _un? Interesting.

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                  #9
                  Absolutely although some credit is given to Fedor's background in Sambo, BJJ, Kickboxing and wrestling, it is actually his _ing _un training.

                  Here is an excellent example of very high end _ing _un!

                  http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...dleman&pl=true

                  THIS IS NOT AN EXIT


                  "Ladies and gentlemen, the pilot has instructed everyone to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." Henry Rollins

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TKD Black Belt
                    Absolutely although some credit is given to Fedor's background in Sambo, BJJ, Kickboxing and wrestling, it is actually his _ing _un training.

                    Here is an excellent example of very high end _ing _un!

                    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...dleman&pl=true

                    That is some DAMN GOOD _ing _un .

                    Thank you so very much for sharing it . I know understand why they drill instead of spar .
                    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                    BILL HICKS,
                    1961-1994

                    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                    ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                      #11
                      Well now, to be completely fair (yeah, leave it to me to ruin everybody's fun - I know), these clips are from an instructional video, where the guy is being cooperative.

                      That said, anyone want to give pecentages on each technique working on an uncooperative opponent? I mean, if we're going to pick these apart, let's be specific, eh.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Stringfellow
                        Well now, to be completely fair (yeah, leave it to me to ruin everybody's fun - I know), these clips are from an instructional video, where the guy is being cooperative.

                        That said, anyone want to give pecentages on each technique working on an uncooperative opponent? I mean, if we're going to pick these apart, let's be specific, eh.
                        http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=sg74mp

                        Phon Sao #15
                        extremely low %

                        Throw a left cross with that first crappy floppy right jab , instead of using it to slap at the little fellows guard .

                        OR

                        Cover up , then clinch the little fucktard , throw him down and kick him in his face for slapping at you when you have a 50 lbs and a number of inches on him .

                        OR

                        Throw a second and/or third strike driving through his feeble guard .
                        I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                        BILL HICKS,
                        1961-1994

                        "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                        ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                          #13
                          BFM no worries, as you can see the man they call Kevin of Randleman was able to properly use 'anti-grappling' in his fight against _ing _un Supreme Soke Fedor.

                          TKD

                          THIS IS NOT AN EXIT


                          "Ladies and gentlemen, the pilot has instructed everyone to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." Henry Rollins

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey
                            http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=sg74mp

                            Phon Sao #15
                            extremely low %

                            Throw a left cross with that first crappy floppy right jab , instead of using it to slap at the little fellows guard .

                            OR

                            Cover up , then clinch the little fucktard , throw him down and kick him in his face for slapping at you when you have a 50 lbs and a number of inches on him .

                            OR

                            Throw a second and/or third strike driving through his feeble guard .
                            Now we're talking. :eusa_clap

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                              #15
                              http://www.zippyvideos.com/8533047494519886/takedown7/

                              Takedown 7
                              LOW %

                              again you throw punches in bunches ... defense falls to crap .


                              the wristlock ... well it could work against a severely drunk attacker ... who is frail .. and limp wristed when he/she punches with single hand strike . The lock also hinges on catching and trapping the arm well enough to control the wrist by the palm and back of hand . You then have to move forward into the attackers space to set/sink the lock in . During this time you are going to eat a hook or cross .

                              * groans *

                              I don't want to watch it anymore to pick it apart . It sucks ... I mean just look at those vids .. christ almighty what the fuck are they thinking ?
                              Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 4/01/2006 8:25pm, .
                              I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                              BILL HICKS,
                              1961-1994

                              "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                              ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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