Anti Grappling

[Teh El Macho]

The stupidity of your partner doing an incorrect or unrealistic attack not withstanding, I have never in fact seen anyone put both legs over the chest. Not even a two-day white belt.

Amen to that. Not even a two-day white belt. Proper foot placement for an armbar was the very first thing I learned on my first BJJ lesson. A good BJJ instructor will tell/scream his students to place their feet right the moment he starts explaining a particular technique. The only time a white belt does that is when he/she is making a mistake!!!

Are you seriously so delusional that you need to defend the indefensible just because it's wing chun?.

Aparently, that's what's he is doing. In all fairness I was talking to a WC friend I have, and he more or less said the same, that most WC practitioners tend to defend the indefensible. This guy, my WC friend, comes from a WC school where one of the instructors ACTUALLY went out of his way to learn BJJ TO BECOME A MORE COMPLETE FIGHTER, and where students are required to sparr hard, and encouraged to see what else is out there.

I don't think that kind of thinking was behind those who made this 'anti-crappling' video.

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LONG LIVE THE ARMADILLO!!!!!

[Gumby]

This is the only decent move that I saw. If he moved his left foot a little higher and put it on the guy's hip he would have a nice open gaurd with a kick to the face. Well, IMO anyways.

Quite honostly, he'd be better off if he just abandoned the armbar attempt. Granted these people just want to learn enough to avoid the grappling scenario, so offensive manuevers (such as having a good armbar or a good RNC) are probably low on their list of priorities.

So, if I were to correct this position to make it perfectly acceptable, he forgets grabbing the arm and simply upkicks kicks his attacker to make some space- then he stands up in base and is back on his feet ready to roll.

[Teh El Macho]

I was considering posing several rhetorical questions with regards to the nature of real grappling and the fallacy of anti-grapply and why anyone would defend this awful clip.

Actually dude, that would be a nice article. You should write one up on that subject when you get a chance.

But I think I can bypass all that and get to the true issue here:

Dr._Tzun_Tzu, what's it like being so stupid?

That is beyond human comprehension :eusa_shif

[TheSparrow]

This is one that looks far better in action than it does in the stills. The only way to describe the intensity of the grappler is by considering what would happen if a drunk, stoned, untrained spazz attacked you. Valium too. Lots, and lots of valium.









The "grappler" comes back in (shouldn't he be dead by now?) with another bull charge:



I would like to note that the WT guy goes to ground on his own terms. The "grappler"'s bull charge was not going to do anything apart from send him into the wall (eventually), and that wouldn't have happened anyway due to the complete lack of intensity or conviction behind the charge.



He goes to ground on his own terms but doesn't even bother pulling guard, which gives the "grappler" a new lease of life:



The "grappler" is very happy and tries to land in "side control", however, little does he know, that he has fallen straight into the WT man's deadly trap! Yes, this really is a double ear slap:



Blah, blah blah etc etc etc, WT man ends with deadly stamp, just above the top of the grappler's head. The deadly shockwaves instantly kill the grappler and he DIES.




I know this isn't one of the best. It's one of those "I guess you had to be there" kind of clips. Looks far better in motion with the "grappler" staggering aimlessly and yelping in pain as his ears are clapped.

PS It might help if you imagine that the "grappler" is both blind and lacking in the sense of touch. Because it sure seems that way.

[TheSparrow]

Oh I love this one. Several punches and elbows fail to kill the evil grappler. You even grab his balls and give them a good twist. BUT HE'S STILL NOT DEAD!


What would you do?


This? :





I do not kid. The WT guy reaches around the back of the grappler's arse and removes his testicles. Then he crushes them into his hand, forms a fist and holds it, ready to KILL the grappler! Unfortunately, I think by this point he had died.

[Teh El Macho]

I do not kid. The WT guy reaches around the back of the grappler's arse and removes his testicles. Then he crushes them into his hand, forms a fist and holds it, ready to KILL the grappler! Unfortunately, I think by this point he had died.

Are you sure this is a anti-grappling video, and not a S&M, sexually violent homo clip?

[jnp]

What's the best way to defend monkey steals peach maneuvers? Wear really tight jeans.

Flesh hugging wranglers FTW!

[TheSparrow]

The grappler's trousers were *fairly* tight I guess. However, unfortunately for him, the WT man had already loosened up his gonads:

[TheSparrow]

An article:

http://www.wingtsun.com.au/site/Gall...grappling.html

Apparently, other martial arts teach you to fall in such a way that you might break your arm if you land on a step. What the hell is he talking about?

And some random images:


This one, in particular is terrible. Ignoring the obvious crapness of the grappler and the obvious BS-ness of the technique, what is it that makes WT Anti Grappling so amazing that no one else can do? All he's doing is punching the guy in the head.


An "anti grappling application". Apparently.

[TehDeadlyDimMak]

Someone really needs to perform some double legs on these guys...

[sanguine]

Someone really needs to perform some double legs on these guys...

Or they should try actually hitting each other full-force with some of the techniques, like that awkward elbow strike above. Why is there this assumption that strike = complete collapse of target? Heck, I've broken someone's ribs in a tournament and he didn't even notice it until he went home. Unless your elbow can plunge through their ribcage and send bone shrapnel through their heart or lung...

[Teh El Macho]

Or they should try actually hitting each other full-force with some of the techniques, like that awkward elbow strike above. Why is there this assumption that strike = complete collapse of target? Heck, I've broken someone's ribs in a tournament and he didn't even notice it until he went home. Unless your elbow can plunge through their ribcage and send bone shrapnel through their heart or lung...

Cuz of Tekken. Seriously, these people have no clue how resilient the human body is. Come to think of it, just imagine our ancestors of long ago fending off sabertooth cats mano-and-mano, and getting up close and personal when hunting down mammoths, wholly rinos, megatheriums, and other large, heavy, furry mammals sporting dangerous appendages including but not limited to horns, tusks, hooves and trunks.

Most large vertebrate body plans are designed to sustain injury; the human body is no exception. There has been annectodal evidence through history of men fighting after losing a hand, an ear or an eye, of people running with broken ribs, jaws or limbs. Warriors of old didn't stop fighting after being cut or stabbed unless the cut was either immediately mortal or severe. Soldiers of today still operate even after takng a few bullets or shrapnel or breathing mustard gas.

Men can go on and fight without eating or drinking for days under the cold or heat, under conditions that most draught animals or livestock would die. We are built to endure punishment. We evolved from cursorial predators, built to chase animals until they fell to the ground and die of exhaustion. But I guess these people got their lessons from DragonBall Z...

... forget evolution, embrace Chi-based Design.

[Das Moose]

You know as a WT practitioner what pisses me off the most?

What the FUCK is the problem with just admitting that WT is a standup art and you need to learn a decent grappling art as well?

I don't use my WT on the ground except to strike with, I use the grappling i've been taught from *grappling* arts. WT is quite clearly a striking art. It's very good for the close range, in your face fight which is still at striking range. Once you get grabbed, you gotta know how to counter that.

[I aint punchy!?]

This is why I took up Judo.

But on that note, this thread is quickly becoming 'strikers can't beat grapplers without being a grappler'. I don't think thats true --- Anti-grappling is a dumb idea as you need to work out with grapplers to develop stiking techniques against what they will throw at you. The same is true for grapplers... if you don't work out against strikers then you might be in a world of pain.

[sanguine]

This is why I took up Judo.

But on that note, this thread is quickly becoming 'strikers can't beat grapplers without being a grappler'. I don't think thats true --- Anti-grappling is a dumb idea as you need to work out with grapplers to develop stiking techniques against what they will throw at you. The same is true for grapplers... if you don't work out against strikers then you might be in a world of pain.

I think it's true, though you don't need to become an expert grappler. You do, however, need to at least learn how to escape from the ground, because even an expert striker's going to mess up every now and then, and if you've trained zero grappling, you're going to look sad on the ground.

Similarly, a grappler who learns how to slip punches is, effectively, training striking -- just the "not getting hit" part of striking, so it's less obvious than when a striker trains escapes -- because that's visibly grappling.