Anti Grappling

[Dr._Tzun_Tzu]

The question is can you pull off a leg lock from in the guard while being kicked in the face? Do you practice getting kicked inthe face?

Thats not an arm bar and you know it., although he is now set to hock the right leg around the arm and roll into a kimora with his leg, or whatever you guys call that.

[Teh El Macho]

You guys are full of shit. I could do the same parady of Bjj with some crappy still images from a BJJ vid. :XXonlyamo

Would be cool if you could pull that off. How many crappy BJJ instructional videos exist out there btw?

As to the Arm bar escape, it is basically the same one taught in BJJ, so you are just makeing fun of yourself anyway.

Nope. We are just making fun of them while doing this:

and yes both legs are on the chest. There is a different answer for when they actually trap the arm with the legs proper. but I guess BJJ can be mastered in 6 months so noone ever would make a mistake like that..... :5baby:

Making a mistake is one thing; making a series of mistakes in an instructional video while jumping around like bunnies or flying ninja armadillos, that's another thing.

PS- there is an elbow lock in the second form, which can be modified to be an arm bar, but you don't understand the concept of forms so I won't bother with it... :new_scatt

We get the concepts of forms from watching the allmighty armadillo

[jnp]

As to the Arm bar escape, it is basically the same one taught in BJJ, so you are just makeing fun of yourself anyway.

No, no it's not. I'm far from being a nutrider, but there was no armbar escape pictured in those stills that can be found in Bjj, at least none that work. To be fair, I haven't seen the video and stills can be framed out of context so I will refrain from further condemnation except to say that Garbanzo Bean was correct, that was some truly awful posture on that double leg attempt. If those WC folks really want to train well they should try to defend against a solid wrestler/grappler's takedown attempt because there's a world of difference between a real double leg and what those stills were showing.

[nezha]

The question is can you pull off a leg lock from in the guard while being kicked in the face? Do you practice getting kicked inthe face?

i like practicing being kicked in the face

in fact, i once attended a krotty school where all we did was practice getting kicked in the face, all day long.

sadly, i did not live to tell the tale

[jnp]

The question is can you pull off a leg lock from in the guard while being kicked in the face? Do you practice getting kicked inthe face?

Did you mean armbar? And actually yes, due to the prepoderance of spastic newbs that come through most Bjj dojos there is often face kicking that occurs.

[kipdynamite]

Hey Dr Tzu,
I never said crap about mastering anything in 6 mos! I said anyone trained in BJJ for six months could thump these monkeys. I trained in wing chun briefly and in JKD under Dill's McDojo and the Inansanto clan for years (@ least 2 each) and I've worked club security and been a peace officer so I've had a chance to try to use both and have had no success with either (butt kicked, mine). So I of all people appreciate the laffs from seeing these monkeys do the dance of armadillo ninja style.
" I unleash coyote samurai style to counter your armadillo wang chun!" :5bomb:

[Lane]

As to the Arm bar escape, it is basically the same one taught in BJJ, so you are just makeing fun of yourself anyway. and yes both legs are on the chest. There is a different answer for when they actually trap the arm with the legs proper. but I guess BJJ can be mastered in 6 months so noone ever would make a mistake like that..... :5baby:

No it's not, because that's not how anyone does an armbar. Rolling toward your opponent to escape an armbar only works if they don't do it right. In a real armbar, one of your legs goes around their neck, on the other side of their shoulders, so that they can't roll into it. The other leg can go over or under the body as is your preference.

Edit: It doesn't matter whether you trap their arm between your knees or put your groin in the right place so that you can put pressure on the joint. They can still roll out of it either way if you don't have it on right.

PS- there is an elbow lock in the second form, which can be modified to be an arm bar, but you don't understand the concept of forms so I won't bother with it... :new_scatt

If you don't consistently attempt to apply it day-in/day-out in your practice, you won't be able to do it when it matters, whether or not it's in the "form" or not.

[CaptainHowdy]

I'd love to see that video, but I'm not going to pay for it. That stuff looks pretty horrendous. Seriously, why don't they just bring in some real grapplers to try their anti-grappling on?

[rexkwon]

yes both legs are on the chest. There is a different answer for when they actually trap the arm with the legs proper. but I guess BJJ can be mastered in 6 months so noone ever would make a mistake like that.....

To be honest I have never seen a mistake like the from anyone other then a white belt . The arm is not controled the feet are not in , both legs on the chest , That is a missed move not a defeated move. Same with the takedowns.

[TehDeadlyDimMak]

The question is whether or not they KNOW they're doing it wrong...

are they doing it wrong hoping their audience won't notice they're making it easier to counter?

or do they simply suck at grappling and THINK they know what they're doing?

[Tom Kagan]

PS- there is an elbow lock in the second form, which can be modified to be an arm bar, but you don't understand the concept of forms so I won't bother with it...

I understand the concept of forms. I understand the concept of the second form of the style. I understand the particular movement to which you refer within the second form of the style.

Ho'bout ju'splain dis'majick mod to me?

:smile:

[I aint punchy!?]

I've watched the whole video. Classic stuff. Very intense but very stupid. Its like they have some guy doing a lecture to some students, then they kinda lamely drill what he was talking about, a few people at the front do it more intensely, then they have these cut aways where one guy does it to another guy that pretends to attack him. Very intense. Veru stupid. Devoid of useful information unfortunately.

[Shard]

You dumbos... That is the deadly Chinese jujitsu ankle bite takedown, with the proper Chi training you can include HIV or Rabies into the bite. You all don't know anything so STUF noobs! :5sonar:<this noob get pwned! :qright3:

[fanatical]

I just spent some time writing a post to reply to Dr Tzun Tzu.

Then I realized he is defending this crap. And also discussion the "grappling bunkai" of wing chun forms.

After long and careful deliberation, I decided that my efforts were for naught :(

[Astrosmurf]

PS- there is an elbow lock in the second form, which can be modified to be an arm bar, but you don't understand the concept of forms so I won't bother with it... :new_scatt

Are you talking about the tok sau jut sao combination quite early in Chum Kiu? I would say that it is a looong stretch to claim that it could be interpreted as that kind of armbar we see in the pictures. Silly oveninterpretations of the forms make them less not more...