What's up with the Martialist?

[Shirobake]

I've been readind the threads in here about the Martialist, Pax Baculum, Phil Elmore, etc. but I still don't understand what all the fighting is about. His site, although at times seeming a bit on the paranoid side, doesn't seem "McDojoish". For some reason, he REALLY hates this site, which kind of goes in the face of his otherwise "pacifistic" appearance.

[Omega Supreme]

Truthfully I ignore most threads that have anything to do with Phil Elmore. I don't really care who he is and he used to be a member here. Somebody sent me his book, I read it critiqued it without any bias. He then went out of his way to downplay my critique including making up a pseudonym on Amazon.com and directly bashing me rather than just have a counter critique.

.....The rest you can research.

[afronaut]

http://www.themartialist.cohttp://www.themartialist.cohttp://www.philelmore.com/warriors.htmhttp://www.philelmore.com/warriors.htm) by Paladin Press and has been interviewed on radio programs as a self-defense expert (http://www.kellyworden.com/home/med...e-9-11-2004.asx). Clearly he is encouraging people to infer he is an expert on these subjects whether he says so or not.

Further if you read the description of the book mentioned above (http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1141http://www.themartialist.cohttp://www.shanliangli.com/)http://www.straightblastgymhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books):http://www.gracieacademy.cohttp://www.sssfighting.com)http://www.straightblastgymhttp://www.themartialist.cohttp://www.jkdgym.dk/interview%20me...rnton%201.hthttp://www.erikpaulson.com/). The fact that he makes such an obvious error speaks volumes.
2) Ribbon Muchado is not a person in the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) world. He is probably referring to the highly regarded Rigan Machado (http://riganmachado.com/http://www.straightblastgymhttp://www.sssfighting.comhttp://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=186http://www.straightblastgym .com/problem.htm)


And by Paul Sharp of Straight Blast Gym:

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You can observe the same thing in the so-called street fighting or reality based corner of the combat sport world. Scared people that translate themselves into lethal killing machines by toting around numerous knives, sticks and assorted weapons. The thing that makes these individuals really dangerous? They are still acting out of fear driven behavior. Without any knowledge of the moral and legal ramifications brought about by their actions. The truth is, they will never overcome their fear because they never confront it. Never testing their skills so as to give themselves a realistic view of their abilities. The fear compounds as they know they are untested which leads them to avoid the testing process for fear of losing and the cycle never ends.- Paul Sharp (http://www.straightblastgym .com/street01.htm)


9. Conclusion

This FAQ simply does not have the room to cover all the topics that people with the Pax Baculum mentality will throw out in an argument. What it does provide however are some basic elements of a Baloney Detection Kit (http://www.carlsagan.com/revamp/carlsagan/baloney.html

[DCS]

BTW, i can't find the e-budo's thread where WCL engaged with Phil in NHB debate.

Deletion-fu maybe?

[WingChun Lawyer]

BTW, i can't find the e-budo's thread where WCL engaged with Phil in NHB debate.

Deletion-fu maybe?

[PoleFighter]

Phil Elmore is just really goofy. He's an arm chair fighter; he reads and thinks more about self defence than he actually trains. Someone who trains one hour a week should not give people advice on hand to hand combat. He constantly cites his 15 years of experience, yet thought that nunchucks were the shit in 2003, which makes me think at least 13 of those years were spent watching kung-fu flicks, which in turn gives us some indication of what he considers training and experience. While he has every right to publish a webzine, nothing changes the fact that he's a big fat joke.

[Lampa]

Phil is someone who combines a crippling lack of natural ability in all his endevours with the inability to admit he flat out sucks. In the case of his writing he actually believes that he's at the professional level.

He's blissfully unaware that you have to find that picture of Mark Hammil wearing a Howard the Duck shirt in order to find a source of concentrated failure comparable to his own fat ass.

However, he's also a dead horse around here.

[ArmchairNinja]

The site (the martialist) doesn't seem McDojoish - most of the equipment reviews and articles are objective and well written. It's Phil's extremist views and lack of martial arts experience that rubs most people the wrong way.

[Peter H.]

They really shortened the timer on that one. Plus, Phil tends to get a free ride over there (They T Manifold as a moderator after all).

[leejunfan]

selective posting seems to be a trend on pretty much every forum out there. Even Bullshido. While I still come here to view the great video clips and read the instructional and review sections, every so often I take a look at the main forums and see posts like the one by afronaut above. Very important to remember that I do not consider trying to LEARN something I don't know as jumping on the band wagon. Submission wresting and BJJ is something that I have over the past few years learned to appreciate and I have decided to work hard on adding it to what I do. The post below is an explaination of my "mistakes".

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&postcount=113

In fact, tonight I have another class where I am the student of a person who knows a bazillion (lol) times more about grappling then I do. That is what I do..... I always seek to learn new things. I personally think all grappling is amazing and I am very happy to have met and train with people that can set me in the right direction. Who knows...... maybe some day I'll get good at it :happy7:

Hope you all have a great day.

[afronaut]

Leejunfan,

My assertion is not that Phil's sin is that he doesn't know enough, since I don't know enough either. But rather he is totally dishonest about his abilities, experience and skills. Further, he writes books and articles and his 'zine trafficking on that fraudulent, trumped up expertise.

Cross training is good. Attending two months worth of classes in something and claiming that means much of anything is bad. Phil is the latter, not the former.

[leejunfan]

Leejunfan,

My assertion is not that Phil's sin is that he doesn't know enough, since I don't know enough either. But rather he is totally dishonest about his abilities, experience and skills. Further, he writes books and articles and his 'zine trafficking on that fraudulent, trumped up expertise.

Cross training is good. Attending two months worth of classes in something and claiming that means much of anything is bad. Phil is the latter, not the former.

Phil and I are at peace and so I'll leave all that stuff up to you guys :icon_sile

My post was about the bashing I took for my mistakes in refering to Combat Submission wrestling and so on......

But all is good :new_xmas:

But all is good :headbang:

[Wounded Ronin]

It was DakotaJudo who saved the thread, IIRC.

[Omega Supreme]

Leejunfan,

My assertion is not that Phil's sin is that he doesn't know enough, since I don't know enough either. But rather he is totally dishonest about his abilities, experience and skills. Further, he writes books and articles and his 'zine trafficking on that fraudulent, trumped up expertise.

Cross training is good. Attending two months worth of classes in something and claiming that means much of anything is bad. Phil is the latter, not the former.

Well I did a review on the guy's book and I didn't find him dishonest. Dillusional maybe, but not dishonest.

[haughty]

The site (the martialist) doesn't seem McDojoish - most of the equipment reviews and articles are objective and well written. It's Phil's extremist views and lack of martial arts experience that rubs most people the wrong way.

I agree. It seems like a lot of the criticism against Phil & his writings can be divided into two general classifications: 1) Ad hominen arguments, usually attacking his lack of advanced MA skills. 2) Imprecise comments taken out of context in order to make him look foolish. In both cases, the criticisms usually fall flat. Bullshido's ridiculous Pax Baculum "FAQ" is a perfect example of this.