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    #2
    Are you Serious Harm's doppleganger?

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      #3
      You know Terrence Duke is a lying peice of trash, right?

      And yes Shaolin is way to hyped. Its funny how pple STILL think all asian arts came from shaolin.
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        #4
        Wait, why is this crap thread in the Classics forum?

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          #5
          Under Ask Peedee.

          And where did the tai-gip thread go?

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            #6
            here's a no brainer. . .
            if prince daruma (bohdidarma, Ta mo) was the one who taught the monks ma/gung fu in Sil Lum (shaolin) temple. . .uh, someone had to have taught him. No "originator" label for him.

            500 AD? Much too late for the start of martial arts in asia.

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              #7
              Yes, I have heard/discussed many such things per certain references.
              Originally posted by Asia
              You know Terrence Duke is a lying peice of trash, right?
              Given some questionable details. But what are you referencing his work-entirety or segments? And why or which?

              And yes Shaolin is way to hyped. Its funny how pple STILL think all asian arts came from shaolin.
              Yes, I grow weary of the "Shaolin Bandwagon". Back in the mid 60's, I had a Chinse instructor whom was born (1905) and came from that region. In the 80's, he told us much more about himself and "growing up". Shaolin monks and/or people were non-existent in his youthful years. It is funny, how these came "out of the woodwork" for recognition to give themselves credit/merit and earn a profitable living? This particular Chinese instructor, in 1986, died, around the age of 81.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Meex
                here's a no brainer. . .
                if prince daruma (bohdidarma, Ta mo) was the one who taught the monks ma/gung fu in Sil Lum (shaolin) temple. . .uh, someone had to have taught him. No "originator" label for him.

                500 AD? Much too late for the start of martial arts in asia.

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                He supposedly brought chan buddhism with him. And he taught the monks 3 exercises. He's not the originator of martial arts in China. As you state, he can't be due to his time in history. The exercises are designed for physical development and enhancement.

                Many things have roots to the original shaolin temple. I know some people say that MA survived in China during the the Communist cleansing. If that is represented by the current Shaolin, then I would tend to disagree, because those people are dancers, not fighters.

                Then again, I have never been to China, who knows what could be hiding.

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                  #9
                  SARS could be hiding.

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                    #10
                    Hmmnn. OK. I was barred from other martial arts forums when I posted this subject of the "Shaolin Bandwagon". Here on Bullshido, people may get offended-but the mods tolerate a lot.

                    Originally posted by Mr_Mantis
                    He supposedly brought chan buddhism with him.
                    He did not. Chan Buddhism was there before him, that is why the temple was built in the first place-also before him.

                    And he taught the monks 3 exercises.
                    Yes, yoga like. Somewhat like today's calisthenics or aerobics.

                    He's not the originator of martial arts in China. As you state, he can't be due to his time in history. The exercises are designed for physical development and enhancement.
                    Yes, if only people will think.

                    Many things have roots to the original shaolin temple.
                    Things, but not people. How can there be any authenticated documents to prove by concrete evidence, that someone is a "authentic" Shaolin monk or practitioner. Given the lack of hierarchy (lets face it-they were monks, not nobles or royalty-much harder to trace) and clouded history.

                    I know some people say that MA survived in China during the the Communist cleansing. If that is represented by the current Shaolin, then I would tend to disagree, because those people are dancers, not fighters.
                    Right. Shaolin is big business. Tourism and global commercialism. The Chinese Government realizes this. How diificult for them, their powerful rule, to place monks, fabricate documentation, or other conspiracy, to proganderized and continue the profits/busness?

                    Then again, I have never been to China, who knows what could be hiding.
                    Hiding? Give a example.

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                      #11
                      Trinity:

                      First concerning the 3 exercises from Ta Mo
                      Originally posted by theycallmetrinity
                      Yes, yoga like. Somewhat like today's calisthenics or aerobics.
                      The exercises in question are nothing like calisthenics or aerobics. Yoga like, yes.

                      The three exercise are known as
                      1. Muscle Change Classic
                      2. Marrow Washing Course
                      3. 18 Movements of the Monks


                      I can only speak to 18 Movements of the Monks, because that's the only one I have. It is an internal program. All movements are slow, unlike aerobics.

                      Originally posted by theycallmetrinity
                      Hiding? Give a example.
                      It is my impression that everything at Shaolin today is made up in recent time in order for China to embrace its "martial" heritage. I am saying that Honan temple 1400 =/= 2004. Other people believe that martial artists survived the Communist killing spree in China, and stayed in China. Where ever they could of been hiding, if it is true is anybody's guess.

                      I don't have an example.

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                        #12
                        Yeah, but do you know what are the actual Buddhist names for those exercises. And what is the word for "exercise"?

                        Originally posted by Mr_Mantis
                        Trinity:

                        First concerning the 3 exercises from Ta Mo

                        The exercises in question are nothing like calisthenics or aerobics. Yoga like, yes.

                        The three exercise are known as
                        1. Muscle Change Classic
                        2. Marrow Washing Course
                        3. 18 Movements of the Monks

                        Yes- I knew this-that is why they are more yoga like and not martial. And it wasn't 18 Moves of the Monks. Speaking to a couple of Chan Buddhist, per suttras, these terms are incorrect.



                        I can only speak to 18 Movements of the Monks, because that's the only one I have. It is an internal program. All movements are slow, unlike aerobics.
                        I stated "yoga like". I stated "somewhat like aerobics"-not meaning fast-but exercise instead of a fighting form.

                        It is my impression that everything at Shaolin today is made up in recent time in order for China to embrace its "martial" heritage.
                        This is my impression - a re-intro, but not "authentic". Not saying bad quality (though some are) - just hype-riding on a merit from legend.


                        I am saying that Honan temple 1400 =/= 2004. Other people believe that martial artists survived the Communist killing spree in China, and stayed in China. Where ever they could of been hiding, if it is true is anybody's guess. I don't have an example.
                        So there it becomes no concrete or hard proof of hierarchy. It is a rekindling of culture set for propaganda and commercialism.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by callmetrinity
                          Yeah, but do you know what are the actual Buddhist names for those exercises. And what is the word for "exercise"?
                          I only know 18 monks which is LoHan Shou, which translates out to Buddha Hand, FWIW.

                          Like I said, I don't know the other ones.

                          And, when you say aerobics, most people envision people jumping around. I wanted to try and clarify what was being discussed.

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                            #14
                            Of course, many of the martial-related stories about shaolin come from the supposed fact that so many martialists fled to hide there during different periods in China's history. . .much has been made of this happening during the Boxer Rebellion, hence a lot of the stories.

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                              #15
                              I been thinking that Taiji could be related to Shaolin. There is alot of talk of Taijiquan being related to daoist practices, and I think that is true, even if someone says there is no I ching connection to Taijiquan or Baguazhang. But can you really say for sure? Chen village is closer in location to the shaolin temple than any Daoist mountain.

                              The diagram in the background of this page I finf interesting. Does anyone know more about it. I think it is usually associated with the Taiji classics. It show Yin and Yang Taiji Spiral energy paths, and it shows a chakra. It appears to be the solar plexus chakra, although it could be the heart chakra. Cultivating the heart, mind and body are impotant in IMA( the Xin, xing, and the Yi). Taiji also has seated meditation which resembles a buddha practice, which uses pushing mountains vibrating palm, which is also in Shaolin qigong. Many moves in Taiji refer to buddha's, and yet I think there is a Taoist I ching connection as well myself. Belt meridian is emphasized whether Taoist or Yogic.

                              http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria/chansigong.html

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