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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post

    The difference I see between Craig and Gordon, is Gordon's game is more control based, where Craig seems to catch a lot of people in transition.
    Of course Craig has plenty of control in his game and Gordon is obviously very dangerous in transition of course.
    Craig states in his recent interview this month that he is at least twice to 3 times as good since he started training under John Danaher at Renzos. He didn't have a real quality teacher before Lachlan (at purple, I believe), and he learned most of his game from YouTube and match studies of the DDS guys (and other top level athletes). He's literally that whitebelt who learned from sensei YouTube, except he made it work lol.

    Once he started at Renzo's he started working in Danaher's systems and working their methods of positional sparring, drilling, etc. and became so much better.

    He does admit he never gets Gordon in sparring though.

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      Originally posted by Myn View Post

      Craig states in his recent interview this month that he is at least twice to 3 times as good since he started training under John Danaher at Renzos. He didn't have a real quality teacher before Lachlan (at purple, I believe), and he learned most of his game from YouTube and match studies of the DDS guys (and other top level athletes). He's literally that whitebelt who learned from sensei YouTube, except he made it work lol.

      Once he started at Renzo's he started working in Danaher's systems and working their methods of positional sparring, drilling, etc. and became so much better.

      He does admit he never gets Gordon in sparring though.
      I have said it before and I will say it again, one of the things I like the most about watching Gordon is you can literally go watch a Danaher DVD or a Gordon Ryan DVD and then watch a Gordon Ryan match and just watch him work his way through the various systems, its a very structured game that he follows so very well against the best of the best.

      Its all so very well articulated in concepts, words, and action.
      Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
      –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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        Originally posted by goodlun View Post

        I have said it before and I will say it again, one of the things I like the most about watching Gordon is you can literally go watch a Danaher DVD or a Gordon Ryan DVD and then watch a Gordon Ryan match and just watch him work his way through the various systems, its a very structured game that he follows so very well against the best of the best.

        Its all so very well articulated in concepts, words, and action.
        Exactly so - he plays John's game step by step and word by word, with the exception of a few small details that he has personalized, like his alternate RNS entry with the hand vs. the chin. John likes the eagle eye, but Gordon due to injury adopts more of a rotational hand entry with thumb entering down and rotating the hand up repeatedly to enter the neck. The small details make a huge difference, and it's remarkable to see the level of detail covered and the way the DDS crew can just dismantle top level grapplers.

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          Originally posted by Myn View Post

          Exactly so - he plays John's game step by step and word by word, with the exception of a few small details that he has personalized, like his alternate RNS entry with the hand vs. the chin. John likes the eagle eye, but Gordon due to injury adopts more of a rotational hand entry with thumb entering down and rotating the hand up repeatedly to enter the neck. The small details make a huge difference, and it's remarkable to see the level of detail covered and the way the DDS crew can just dismantle top level grapplers.
          It will certainly be interesting to watch Gordon's transition to MMA. It would also be nice if Tonon would get more fights.
          Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
          –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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            Originally posted by goodlun View Post

            It will certainly be interesting to watch Gordon's transition to MMA. It would also be nice if Tonon would get more fights.
            Sadly Gordon will not be transitioning to MMA. At least not anytime soon. He went on record saying the DDS decided that Garry would carry the team flag for MMA, and Gordon in grappling. Gordon says until there is someone in the DDS to take his place (Nicky Ryan or Nicky Rod), he won't be considering MMA.

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              Originally posted by goodlun View Post

              It will certainly be interesting to watch Gordon's transition to MMA. It would also be nice if Tonon would get more fights.
              Also, I believe Garry still has a scheduled fight coming up, if it's not cancelled.

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                Originally posted by Myn View Post

                There's a LOT behind it. If you have a flograppling subscription, you can listen to Gordon and Craig break down that match below:
                https://www.flograppling.com/video/6...ver-leandro-lo

                It is very difficult because in jiu jitsu the positional match is largely based on the interactions between inside and outside leg position when it comes to passing and leg locking. While Leandro wants to pass Craig, he needs to steal some inside position in order to initiate the pass, Craig meanwhile can capitalize on the entry into his guard in order to set up some ashi garami or leg entanglement configuration and then generate kuzushi to bring him to the ground and initiate a break.
                Right, I was obviously simplifying and trying to be funny. I know nothing of leg locks. It looks to me like the guy who pulls guard has the advantage, if he knows what he is doing.

                Or is as good as Craig Jones, LOL.

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                  Originally posted by BKR View Post
                  It looks to me like the guy who pulls guard has the advantage,
                  Yes. because it gives you a lot more opportunity for inside leg position which is a requirement for the vast majority of these positions:
                  http://www.grapplearts.com/wp-conten...heat-sheet.pdf
                  Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                  –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                    Originally posted by BKR View Post

                    Friendly reminder, Kodokan Judo is grappling.
                    I typed grappling, but I meant BJJ. I would have thought that was obvious.

                    Someone’s a stickler for the details, and his name is Craig Jones!
                    Shut the hell up and train.

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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Right, I was obviously simplifying and trying to be funny. I know nothing of leg locks. It looks to me like the guy who pulls guard has the advantage, if he knows what he is doing.
                      Not necessarily.
                      Inside leg position from top or bottom is a potential advantage.
                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Or is as good as Craig Jones, LOL.
                      Superior skill, superior athleticism, etc, etc never go out of style, of course.

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                        Originally posted by Myn View Post

                        You laugh about it, but actually yeah guys often get ultra cautious with world level athletes, especially leg lock specialists. The concern they usually bring forward is not "this guys is going to permanently injure me", it's rather "man I hope I can make him work a little bit before getting demolished". A lot of people have at least some ego against getting wrecked 50 times in a 5 minute round, and it makes their game really cautious because small mistakes they can work around in regular matches are instantly exploited against people at Craigs level.
                        I am the other way. As I am going to get mauled anyway. I don't have to play a conservative game.

                        I have had to help some of these guys train for fights which consists of me going balls out for about a minute or so and then getting switched out with another guy.

                        So no only do I get an elite athlete but I am attacking them really competitively when they have been made unfairly exhausted. And are possibly cutting weight and are generally just pissed at the world.

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                          Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                          Not necessarily.
                          Inside leg position from top or bottom is a potential advantage.
                          I personally find it more difficult to get inside position from the top due to the very nature of base. Of course I am also not very good.
                          Though overall I still prefer top position.
                          Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                          –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                            Originally posted by BKR View Post

                            Right, I was obviously simplifying and trying to be funny. I know nothing of leg locks. It looks to me like the guy who pulls guard has the advantage, if he knows what he is doing.

                            Or is as good as Craig Jones, LOL.
                            So pulling guard has 3 major advantages:

                            1) You cannot be taken down and consequently cannot lose points from conceding a takedown.
                            2) Your guard is in play immediately, so your game is started while your opponent needs to set up their passes, etc. Consequently, you have something of a minuscule time advantage.
                            3) You can't be swept if you're already on bottom.

                            HOWEVER:

                            Top position also has advantages:

                            1) If you succeed in the takedown you get both a positional and points advantage.
                            2) Pulling guard is strictly sport applicable, so you are training bad habits - doing such in a real fight would be foolish.
                            3) The passer has both a mobility advantage and an advantage due to having gravity on their side.
                            4) If the guard player fails to sweep or submit the top player, they have no other options other than standing back up or fending off endless guard passing or submission attempts (strikes in an actual fight).

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