Is BJJ "Arrogance" ruining BJJ?

[goodlun]

Pfft...

He was no Danny Hodge.

Yeah but could Danny Hodge do this:
Hang himself?
https://lastwordonprowrestling.com/w...k-strength.jpg

I am sure their is some trickery in that, their almost always is.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah but could Danny Hodge do this:
Hang himself?
I am sure their is some trickery in that, their almost always is.

Yeah....
Here is champion wrestler and boxer Danny Hodge juicing apples with his hands at the age of 77 with no trickery required:

[hungryjoe]

Yeah....
Here is champion wrestler and boxer Danny Hodge juicing apples with his hands at the age of 77 with no trickery required:

I remember him doing that in his prime. The Apple was first thought in my mind when you first mentioned his name.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I remember him doing that in his prime. The Apple was first thought in my mind when you first mentioned his name.

Yeah, the Tokyo police two on one arm restraint and various other forearm manipulation techniques don't work on those mutants.

[BKR]

Okay I have people that know where I have done Judo in this thread that will 100% back me up on this.
I have done Judo at a Judo school with very good Newaza for a Judo school.
I can confidently say that the average blue belt is going to give a Judo black belt from that school a run for their money.
That school had high standards for Judo Black Belts.
The owner of that Schools Daughter who went to the Olympics two times, studied BJJ to improve on her Newaza and is now a purple belt in BJJ.

The reverse is less true for me, as in I have never been to a BJJ school who is focusing on 50% takedowns I am sure they are out there and I am sure that those takedowns are the mirror image of what I was talking about with the Judo groundwork.

At the high level and this is very generalized I don't think of Judo as throwing and BJJ and ground work.

I think of Judo as teaching Tricks & BJJ teaching Position.

Judo teaches positioning. It is focused differently than BJJ.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Judo teaches positioning. It is focused differently than BJJ.

Here is a partially true stereotype for you:

Many Judo players move well on their feet, but try to become immovable "rocks" on the ground.

And many BJJ players move well on the ground, but try to become immovable "rocks" on their feet.

The best players fluidly move on the feet or the ground,

and this is the synthesis of the best Judo and BJJ have to offer.

[BKR]

or a more real world example:
Travis Stevens, now before Travis Stevens cross trained he was very capable of out grappling Hobbyist BJJ Black Belts, and even some lower level competitive BJJ Black Belts.
But to compete at the level he wants to be able to compete at he had to take his Olympic Level work ethic and go see one of the better coaches in the game.
His game was good, so good it took only 18 months to get recognized as a BJJ Black Belt from an instructor that doesn't hand out black belts like they are candy.
So yeah their is a ton of cross over, and yes you can get get at ground work in Judo.
Lets not act like that is the norm. If you walk into a rec center Judo club your not likely to see very high level ground work.

Travis is on another plane of existence.

[hungryjoe]

Yeah, the Tokyo police two on one arm restraint and various other forearm manipulation techniques don't work on those mutants.

Mutant forearms.

[BKR]

Compared to judo and wrestling, BJJ is incredibly immature as a competitive sport.

It is IMO same as judo in USA. An obscure, niche sport.

Plus BJJ operates mostly like a private for profit business.

[BKR]

Again, you are making common sense points.

How dare you.

Let's move this to the BS discord server, we need their maturity and wisdom.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Compared to judo and wrestling, BJJ is incredibly immature as a competitive sport.

It is IMO same as judo in USA. An obscure, niche sport.

Plus BJJ operates mostly like a private for profit business.

Experiencing Judo players in Brazil, France, and a Japanese university team was like jumping in a very, very cold pool compared to my experience playing with US recreational Judo clubs.

Much like competing in Black Belt divisions of Judo at military base tournaments with players who competed for years as Black Belts in those environments was a WORLD of difference between the brown belt division filled with raised local competitors that I frankly dominated.

I got uchimated and sumi gaeshi'd everywhere and rice bag tossed occasionally every time I went for single legs in the internationally experienced black belt Judo division.

[BKR]

Well, a lot of these guys decry sports BJJ.
They want to talk about how their stuff is for fighting or Self Defense.
They want to set the narrative that new school is soft.
Blah blah blah blah.
The problem is the sport side of things is very narrow on top with only a few places really attracting high level competitors.
Or more accurate BJJ has a lot more "professional" players now and their are places where these guys are training and it's only a few gyms.

Ok, it is as I thought, comp for market share.

Advertising...

[Dr. Gonzo]

Let's move this to the BS discord server, we need their maturity and wisdom.

I would, but I got banned from Bullshido Discord for saying that Sirc had a small penis,

in violation of both the Cyber Bullying laws and the American Disabilities Act.

In retrospect, I never would have made fun of a bonafide physical disability had I but known.

I am ashamed.

[BKR]

There are several confounders tho, to your age hypothesis.

I like your approach tho, refreshingly different.

Starting sports young develops overall physical literacy, even if the kid is specialized.

So you get potential double dose of positive.

[W. Rabbit]

I didn't critizie the man, I just pointed out the fact that Teddy Riner would eat his lunch. He most certainly would.
I didn't actually say anything about his biceps, though I did say a way to collaborate what Rayce was saying about his posture.

Well I must apologize, it was Rayce who said biceps.

But, you can't say Teddy Riner would "most certainly" eat either "his" lunch or this fake bicep pusher or anyone else for that matter. You should just STFU.

Yep, I played this one out properly.