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Okay I have people that know where I have done Judo in this thread that will 100% back me up on this.
I have done Judo at a Judo school with very good Newaza for a Judo school.
I can confidently say that the average blue belt is going to give a Judo black belt from that school a run for their money.
That school had high standards for Judo Black Belts.
The owner of that Schools Daughter who went to the Olympics two times, studied BJJ to improve on her Newaza and is now a purple belt in BJJ.
The reverse is less true for me, as in I have never been to a BJJ school who is focusing on 50% takedowns I am sure they are out there and I am sure that those takedowns are the mirror image of what I was talking about with the Judo groundwork.
At the high level and this is very generalized I don't think of Judo as throwing and BJJ and ground work.
I think of Judo as teaching Tricks & BJJ teaching Position.
Judo teaches positioning. It is focused differently than BJJ.
or a more real world example:
Travis Stevens, now before Travis Stevens cross trained he was very capable of out grappling Hobbyist BJJ Black Belts, and even some lower level competitive BJJ Black Belts.
But to compete at the level he wants to be able to compete at he had to take his Olympic Level work ethic and go see one of the better coaches in the game.
His game was good, so good it took only 18 months to get recognized as a BJJ Black Belt from an instructor that doesn't hand out black belts like they are candy.
So yeah their is a ton of cross over, and yes you can get get at ground work in Judo.
Lets not act like that is the norm. If you walk into a rec center Judo club your not likely to see very high level ground work.
Compared to judo and wrestling, BJJ is incredibly immature as a competitive sport.
It is IMO same as judo in USA. An obscure, niche sport.
Plus BJJ operates mostly like a private for profit business.
Experiencing Judo players in Brazil, France, and a Japanese university team was like jumping in a very, very cold pool compared to my experience playing with US recreational Judo clubs.
Much like competing in Black Belt divisions of Judo at military base tournaments with players who competed for years as Black Belts in those environments was a WORLD of difference between the brown belt division filled with raised local competitors that I frankly dominated.
I got uchimated and sumi gaeshi'd everywhere and rice bag tossed occasionally every time I went for single legs in the internationally experienced black belt Judo division.
Well, a lot of these guys decry sports BJJ.
They want to talk about how their stuff is for fighting or Self Defense.
They want to set the narrative that new school is soft.
Blah blah blah blah.
The problem is the sport side of things is very narrow on top with only a few places really attracting high level competitors.
Or more accurate BJJ has a lot more "professional" players now and their are places where these guys are training and it's only a few gyms.
I didn't critizie the man, I just pointed out the fact that Teddy Riner would eat his lunch. He most certainly would.
I didn't actually say anything about his biceps, though I did say a way to collaborate what Rayce was saying about his posture.
Well I must apologize, it was Rayce who said biceps.
But, you can't say Teddy Riner would "most certainly" eat either "his" lunch or this fake bicep pusher or anyone else for that matter. You should just STFU.
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