Is BJJ "Arrogance" ruining BJJ?

[goodlun]

I think my point is? If a self defense focused school can survive in a very saturated market with world championships all around it...... Their is no need for this arrogance drama that is likely money motivated.......

[Bneterasedmynam]

Sirc's vagina has been on display here for far too long. Decades.

Fixed.

[goodlun]

That includes a lot more self defense in a formalized training plan than you will ever see with lots of jiu jitsu schools.

It's also not a "sport" school, people are encouraged to compete if they want, though usually in non-IBJJF settings. Your not likely to see a professional competitor come out of one of these schools. Though it's far from impossible. It just doesn't seem to be the focus.
One of the Black Belts I trained under was a Harris black belt but moved over to under Cobraheina when he wanted to become more competition focused.

[Devil]

So this is a fair example of what a blue belt is expected to be able to do in the Harris linage with some variation based on instructor.
http://www.modernselfdefense.com/chris/blue.pdf

That includes a lot more self defense in a formalized training plan than you will ever see with lots of jiu jitsu schools.

[goodlun]

So this is a fair example of what a blue belt is expected to be able to do in the Harris linage with some variation based on instructor.
http://www.modernselfdefense.com/chris/blue.pdf

[Raycetpfl]

I didn't take it as such, I am just being as realistic and honest as I can be.
Though I think grappling fundamentals first, then work on specific self defense tricks.

That's the beauty of it, self defense basics are grappling basics. Always control the inside Space. Protect your neck and Chin. Stay too close or too far to hit.

[goodlun]

I’m not criticizing you. I’m just making a point about the value of focusing on self defense as a beginner.

I didn't take it as such, I am just being as realistic and honest as I can be.
Though I think grappling fundamentals first, then work on specific self defense tricks.

[Devil]

Let's put it this way I am not so confident that I would let someone pick a fight with me. Even if I knew 100% that they had no training and are physically less fit.
I am confident that I would do much better in that situation with the training I have vs not having the training (no duh sort of thing).
Since I have gone a good 40 years of only being in fights I want to be in I am not overly concerned about it.
It's nice to know that I stand a better chance but as said before I am a little overweight 40 year old getting out of the house and having some fun.

I’m not criticizing you. I’m just making a point about the value of focusing on self defense as a beginner.

[Raycetpfl]

Did you mean to say "yoking"?

I throw eggs to start fights.

[goodlun]

1. You’re probably right.
2. You’ve been training for years, right?
3. Could you have done that one year into training against a stronger, aggressive attacker? Can you say that with confidence?
4. If you answered yes to #3, you’re probably overconfident. You fight how you train.
5. If you want to be able to fight, you should focus on fighting. If you’re not focused on fighting, you shouldn’t claim fighting skill.
6. Sport jiu jitsu is not fighting. It is a skill that is applicable to fighting, like wrestling. There is a difference.

Let's put it this way I am not so confident that I would let someone pick a fight with me. Even if I knew 100% that they had no training and are physically less fit.
I am confident that I would do much better in that situation with the training I have vs not having the training (no duh sort of thing).
Since I have gone a good 40 years of only being in fights I want to be in I am not overly concerned about it.
It's nice to know that I stand a better chance but as said before I am a little overweight 40 year old getting out of the house and having some fun.

[W. Rabbit]

I am someone who makes 6 figures but bounces anyway cause yolking up assholes is fun for me.

Did you mean to say "yoking"?

[Raycetpfl]

Then again I've met black belts that didnt know the choke the Gracies call "Nut Cracker". Which is also one of my favorites.

How to make friends and influence people.

[Raycetpfl]

I forgot you are not just an avid competitor, you are also a skilled, undefeated underground pitfighter who would waste every 300 lb trucker who tried to oil check you.

Are you sure you're not a Gracie? Ancestry.com DNA test, dude.

I am someone who makes 6 figures but bounces anyway cause yolking up assholes is fun for me.

[Devil]

I mean all I know is this, I am fucking terrible at BJJ like the fucking worse. But if you take anyone that is with in reason the same size as me and with in reason the same level of athleticism, but completely untrained and you start then in Mount on me. It's a matter of seconds until I am up on top and they be having no time to be dropping bombs unless they want their face to be planted in the ground. Now I can't 100% say this would be true with a real adrenaline dump or if I would freeze up or not. But I have been in Mount with true beginners enough times to know they are completely shity at sitting on top of someone.

[W. Rabbit]

No it isn't. Its easy once you're in grappling range. Go look at world star videos. Look how many morons wander into grappling range running their mouth or lack the power to stop a grappler just walking through their shots. The hardest choice is deciding between Tani otoshi and Ura Nage.

In a street fight? No it doesn't. Its like wrestling with a first day white belt. Unless they are also a skilled grappler.

I forgot you are not just an avid competitor, you are also a skilled, undefeated underground pitfighter who would waste every 300 lb trucker who tried to oil check you.

Are you sure you're not a Gracie? Ancestry.com DNA test, dude.