Is BJJ "Arrogance" ruining BJJ?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Indeed, knowing how to fall is super important. The fact is learning First Aid and CPR isn't even that much of a time commitment, its been year since I have had to do it, and it would be well worth doing again.
I can only imagine that the university that I work for has free classes that I could likely get into.

The mention of break falling has me thinking that one of the things I think Danaher does very well, is he goes back to the Judo well and pulls out a lot of great things and applies them position-ally then starts linking stuff into a system of transitions and problem solving.
Kind of what brings that up is I am watching:

God damn that kid is technical, that is why I like to watch him.

You deserve an answer to this excellent post.

But, I have to work up the mental fortitude and commitment to watch the ten minute Gordon Ryan video.

So, please pardon a delay in response.

I'll get to it, eventually.

[goodlun]

We really should have everybody take a CPR and First Aid course before we teach them offensive techniques.

Learning how to fall being neck and neck for being required before we put anybody to grapple on the ground or standing.

And being arguably the most useful self-defense skill we teach...

(Psst...which actually means the Aikido guys are not worthless from a self-defense perspective, after all...)

Indeed, knowing how to fall is super important. The fact is learning First Aid and CPR isn't even that much of a time commitment, its been year since I have had to do it, and it would be well worth doing again.
I can only imagine that the university that I work for has free classes that I could likely get into.

The mention of break falling has me thinking that one of the things I think Danaher does very well, is he goes back to the Judo well and pulls out a lot of great things and applies them position-ally then starts linking stuff into a system of transitions and problem solving.
Kind of what brings that up is I am watching:

God damn that kid is technical, that is why I like to watch him.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Knowing full well that I sit on top of Mt Stupid and its all pontificate, I often times wonder how I would structure a school a class or a program.
In particular I like to just ponder how I would do it in the confines and benefits of formal Academia including the general ed requirements I would want to see.
IE, Sports Psychology, Contract Law, Business ethics, small business accounting, small business law, ect.
Then I go huh how, how would you structure a program staying within the Credit hour guide lines that covers all the dang things you need to cover.
I assume we could use PE credits that gives you more hours vs Credit unit.
Its been a bit more on my mind today cause I listened to Lachlan Giles talk with Keenan about how they run their academies.
Of course for me its nothing more than a thought experiment I highly doubt I would ever even want to run an academy even if I where ever qualified to do so.
To both my determine and benefit I do take a pretty cerebral approach to BJJ. So pondering how I would structure teaching also forces me to ponder how I structure my own learning.
Of course their is some give and take on that front cause I have an instructor that has a curriculum and that is lets say the 0%-80% of how I am going to learn.
But their are other resources instructionals, matches, match break downs, osmosis, ect.
I did find it interesting that Lachlan did say he found the Ryan Hall instructional to be useful.
Of course any time I can listen to Lister, Hall, Keenan talk for free, I certainly try and make the time to listen.

We really should have everybody take a CPR and First Aid course before we teach them offensive techniques.

Learning how to fall being neck and neck for being required before we put anybody to grapple on the ground or standing.

And being arguably the most useful self-defense skill we teach...

(Psst...which actually means the Aikido guys are not worthless from a self-defense perspective, after all...)

[goodlun]

By the time someone is a black belt in BJJ,

which historically took about ten years of regular practice a few times or more a week,

they usually know the basics, and usually are specialists in a couple, or a few areas of the game.

Knowing full well that I sit on top of Mt Stupid and its all pontificate, I often times wonder how I would structure a school a class or a program.
In particular I like to just ponder how I would do it in the confines and benefits of formal Academia including the general ed requirements I would want to see.
IE, Sports Psychology, Contract Law, Business ethics, small business accounting, small business law, ect.
Then I go huh how, how would you structure a program staying within the Credit hour guide lines that covers all the dang things you need to cover.
I assume we could use PE credits that gives you more hours vs Credit unit.
Its been a bit more on my mind today cause I listened to Lachlan Giles talk with Keenan about how they run their academies.
Of course for me its nothing more than a thought experiment I highly doubt I would ever even want to run an academy even if I where ever qualified to do so.
To both my determine and benefit I do take a pretty cerebral approach to BJJ. So pondering how I would structure teaching also forces me to ponder how I structure my own learning.
Of course their is some give and take on that front cause I have an instructor that has a curriculum and that is lets say the 0%-80% of how I am going to learn.
But their are other resources instructionals, matches, match break downs, osmosis, ect.
I did find it interesting that Lachlan did say he found the Ryan Hall instructional to be useful.
Of course any time I can listen to Lister, Hall, Keenan talk for free, I certainly try and make the time to listen.

[Dr. Gonzo]

BJJ is weird. I have watched Competitive Black Belts make hobbyist(maybe not the fairest word) Black Belts look like white belts.
The way I like to describe BJJ to people that don't get the rank structure and the difference between competitive and non-competitive is like this.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong people.

Blue Belt - AS in Grappling
Purple Belt - BS in Grappling
Brown Belt - MS in Grappling
Black Belt - PhD in Grappling

A Competitive Blue Belt is like someone with an AS and an Internship in their field.
A Competitive Purple Belt is like someone with a BS and real work experience in their field but lets say less than 5 years.
Anyways I am sure you can see the pattern.

Then you get the Jr. Blue Belt that is competitive and that guy, that guy is like the bosses son that has had to work in the field on his off hours all the dang time.
A lot to learn still but that base of knowledge is pretty damn good.

By the time someone is a black belt in BJJ,

which historically took about ten years of regular practice a few times or more a week,

they usually know the basics, and usually are specialists in a couple, or a few areas of the game.

[goodlun]

Something I realized when I compared bjj so some of the more traditional arts and RBSD that I have done was that innovation is driven by the excellence of its students rather than the wisdom of its founders.

So you get as a result of this super competitive color belts who can reliably tap out black belts. Regardless of that black belts contribution to the art.

I don't think that is arrogance it just is.

And look I am getting older and rolling slower and can't compete as well against younger fitter guys myself. And that isn't arrogance on their part if they flog me.

It is just part of the process that drives the whole art forwards.

BJJ is weird. I have watched Competitive Black Belts make hobbyist(maybe not the fairest word) Black Belts look like white belts.
The way I like to describe BJJ to people that don't get the rank structure and the difference between competitive and non-competitive is like this.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong people.

Blue Belt - AS in Grappling
Purple Belt - BS in Grappling
Brown Belt - MS in Grappling
Black Belt - PhD in Grappling

A Competitive Blue Belt is like someone with an AS and an Internship in their field.
A Competitive Purple Belt is like someone with a BS and real work experience in their field but lets say less than 5 years.
Anyways I am sure you can see the pattern.

Then you get the Jr. Blue Belt that is competitive and that guy, that guy is like the bosses son that has had to work in the field on his off hours all the dang time.
A lot to learn still but that base of knowledge is pretty damn good.

[gregaquaman]

Something I realized when I compared bjj so some of the more traditional arts and RBSD that I have done was that innovation is driven by the excellence of its students rather than the wisdom of its founders.

So you get as a result of this super competitive color belts who can reliably tap out black belts. Regardless of that black belts contribution to the art.

I don't think that is arrogance it just is.

And look I am getting older and rolling slower and can't compete as well against younger fitter guys myself. And that isn't arrogance on their part if they flog me.

It is just part of the process that drives the whole art forwards.

[goodlun]

It seems to me most of BJJ is business oriented, so some of his rant may be some sort of marketing. I mean, maybe there is a niche market in BJJ for a more TMA attitude ?

I don't know. Where I was doing BJJ, there seemed to be a fairly humble attitude, and my Judo knowledge was respected. Of course, my ability to perform was limited. I wasn't there to show BJJ how great Judo is anyway. They are complimentary, to say the least.

It certainly isn't uncommon for a BJJ school to have a Judo and or wrestling instructor that teaches at least 1 night a week.
As for the more TMA Attiude, my understanding is the Gracie Bara is much more along those lines, with things like only white & Blue Gis, bowing in and out, calling people instructors with 3 or more stripes Professor, not asking higher belts to role, having to buy the schools gis, patches, and rash guards. Of course this isn't limited to only Gracie Bara but their are BJJ schools that have a lot of pomp and circumstance and really care about Honorfics, tradition and "discipline"
I am happy that there are schools for people who want that.
I am also extremely happy that I have the option to NOT go to a school like that.
Though the School I am at right now, kind of walks that line a bit more than I would like but the small class sizes, cheap price, and quality instruction makes up for the more culty aspects of it.

[BKR]

It seems to me most of BJJ is business oriented, so some of his rant may be some sort of marketing. I mean, maybe there is a niche market in BJJ for a more TMA attitude ?

I don't know. Where I was doing BJJ, there seemed to be a fairly humble attitude, and my Judo knowledge was respected. Of course, my ability to perform was limited. I wasn't there to show BJJ how great Judo is anyway. They are complimentary, to say the least.

[goodlun]

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/black-belt-denounces-widespread-arrogance-championitis-in-bjj/?fbclid=IwAR3-VCuxeh9f2giCBCY6La8dhd4K7FFT3n5RHz_tQBn6gbumTl80It 2tkU

Gael Coadic, founder of Gracie Barra Fox Team, kind of goes off on a rant.
Its hard for me to agree with him but I don't really see or experience this whole BJJ mindset he speaks of.
I have seen the competitive BJJ guys respect the fuck out and cross train in Judo, SAMBO, and Wrestling(while constantly watching members of those groups try and disrespect the fuck out BJJ).
Is their a bit of arrogance? Also yes, but is it arrogance when its well earned?
Anyways Those of you that have different experiences than I, I would love to hear from.
Almost always when I see stuff like this, its because they are having a hard time competing against a gym in the area with a champion in it.
No, I am not willing to talk shit about Gael, its just I have seen a lot of the "Modern BJJ is x talk" I just think that talk has to be more money motivated than respect of the art motivated. With the understanding that sure some of it is respect of the art motivated.