Is BJJ "Arrogance" ruining BJJ?

[BKR]

As much, or as little, as I live in the shadow of Buffalo Bill.

I mean, I have stayed at The Irma, and been to the museum...

[BKR]

You're not fat. You're just a ginger with big bones.

I am the fat one, submessenger is the skinnier one.

[BKR]

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[goodlun]

sobs disconsolately into old uwagi while clutching kuro obi...

Weeb......

[BKR]

Weeb......

Damn, you are sharp for a mudansha.

[Devil]

One thing about Roger Gracie, and his father, who got his Blackbelt from Rolls, is they're big into self-defence. There are Blackbelts that sneak into the back of Roger's academy(obviously not his students) to watch the self-defence techniques because they don't know it. This is not a joke. I think we're the only academy in Ireland that teaches self-defence.

BJJ players are arrogant if they think they couldn't get their ass handed to them in a street fight if they don't train it, competitors or not. We need to remember how this started.

[Michael Tzadok]

One thing about Roger Gracie, and his father, who got his Blackbelt from Rolls, is they're big into self-defence. There are Blackbelts that sneak into the back of Roger's academy(obviously not his students) to watch the self-defence techniques because they don't know it. This is not a joke. I think we're the only academy in Ireland that teaches self-defence.

BJJ players are arrogant if they think they couldn't get their ass handed to them in a street fight if they don't train it, competitors or not. We need to remember how this started.

Is this really a thing?

I mean I know there different levels of training it, but I thought that what is typically called "Gracie Combatives" was typical white belt curriculum.

I thought some just focused on it more than others.

[Devil]

Is this really a thing?

I mean I know there different levels of training it, but I thought that what is typically called "Gracie Combatives" was typical white belt curriculum.

I thought some just focused on it more than others.

[Devil]

Is this really a thing?

I mean I know there different levels of training it, but I thought that what is typically called "Gracie Combatives" was typical white belt curriculum.

I thought some just focused on it more than others.

[Raycetpfl]

One thing about Roger Gracie, and his father, who got his Blackbelt from Rolls, is they're big into self-defence. There are Blackbelts that sneak into the back of Roger's academy(obviously not his students) to watch the self-defence techniques because they don't know it. This is not a joke. I think we're the only academy in Ireland that teaches self-defence.

BJJ players are arrogant if they think they couldn't get their ass handed to them in a street fight if they don't train it, competitors or not. We need to remember how this started.

You mean like how Eddie Bravo and Jean-Jacques Machado brown belt Joe Rogan( he would have also had Eddie Bravo in his earpiece watching from the production trailer during that UFC broadcast as a technical analyst. Because of this job that Joe Rogan got Eddie Bravo that's why he named a position the truck) named a basic guillotine counteroffensive choke after a crap MMA fighter because he had never seen it before?
All of my students will know this it's part of the Gracie basics as a white belt. The uninitiated know it as the von flu choke

[Michael Tzadok]

That's crazy.

Like I've heard my club called "sport BJJ" because we focus more on the competition stuff than self-defense stuff. By that I mean we run through the self defense curriculum 2-3 months every year and the rest is gi and no gi grappling.

My head black belt, who teaches that, had middling success as a Vales Tudo fighter in Brazil and teaches a couple of the Israeli security forces now, so he knows his shit and will gladly do privates with anyone who wants more of a focus on it..

So I've always assumed that "sport BJJ" was just trash talk by clubs that focused a lot on it, and didnt do as well at BJJ comps.

Clearly I was wrong.

[Michael Tzadok]

You mean like how Eddie Bravo and Jean-Jacques Machado brown belt Joe Rogan( he would have also had Eddie Bravo in his earpiece watching from the production trailer during that UFC broadcast as a technical analyst. Because of this job that Joe Rogan got Eddie Bravo that's why he named a position the truck) named a basic guillotine counteroffensive choke after a crap MMA fighter because he had never seen it before?
All of my students will know this it's part of the Gracie basics as a white belt. The uninitiated know it as the von flu choke

I just always assumed that it was like the "Karelin Lift" or tbr "Gable Grip", that Von Flu just made it famous as the first person to do it in MMA.

I mean old wrestling manuals(pre Dan Gable) call the Gable Grip, the Gordian Knot.

Nevermind various odd club names for things.

[Devil]

That's crazy.

Like I've heard my club called "sport BJJ" because we focus more on the competition stuff than self-defense stuff. By that I mean we run through the self defense curriculum 2-3 months every year and the rest is gi and no gi grappling.

My head black belt, who teaches that, had middling success as a Vales Tudo fighter in Brazil and teaches a couple of the Israeli security forces now, so he knows his shit and will gladly do privates with anyone who wants more of a focus on it..

So I've always assumed that "sport BJJ" was just trash talk by clubs that focused a lot on it, and didnt do as well at BJJ comps.

Clearly I was wrong.

Right. And I believe that is a common misconception. When I was at the Royce school, they competed. They weren’t anti-competition. They encouraged competing in both grappling and MMA. But their mindset was about self-defense first and foremost.

I think both are hugely valuable. I think sport-only guys tend to discount the value of self defense jiu jitsu because their only experience with it is through discussions of hokey online blue belts who have never rolled live. It taints their perception so much that they refuse to even acknowledge that it might be important to know what to do when somebody tries to punch you.

[goodlun]

To be fair most "sports only" BJJ guys are going to fuck up most people in a "self defense" situation. By "Self Defense" I mean the dumb fights you see people get in over dumb stuff. Not the in the mugging sort of "self defense".
I mean straight up not trolling way they will keep an untrained person off balance enough that they won't be able to through effective strikes even if they dive for something like deep half

[W. Rabbit]

Right. And I believe that is a common misconception. When I was at the Royce school, they competed. They weren’t anti-competition. They encouraged competing in both grappling and MMA. But their mindset was about self-defense first and foremost.

I think both are hugely valuable. I think sport-only guys tend to discount the value of self defense jiu jitsu because their only experience with it is through discussions of hokey online blue belts who have never rolled live. It taints their perception so much that they refuse to even acknowledge that it might be important to know what to do when somebody tries to punch you.

One of my best instructors ever was an undercover police detective and he was adamant about this fact. When you need to use jiujitsu on the job, it changes everything.

He is part of a VERY successful competition school, but has very clear ideas on what is sport vs. SD when it comes to jiujitsu and I was very grateful to listen in.

It's not rocket science but to put it bluntly, most people are simply not as rough with each other during training as they would in a dangerous SD situation where fear, anger, or intense aggression factor in. The degree just isn't there because training partners don't really want (or shouldn't want) to harm each other. It's mutual benefit time, sparring. That mutual benefit thing ends at the edge of the mat.

There's pummeling, and then there's pummeling.