Is BJJ "Arrogance" ruining BJJ?

[BKR]

Here is a partially true stereotype for you:

Many Judo players move well on their feet, but try to become immovable "rocks" on the ground.

And many BJJ players move well on the ground, but try to become immovable "rocks" on their feet.

The best players fluidly move on the feet or the ground,

and this is the synthesis of the best Judo and BJJ have to offer.

Agreed. Positioning is 3D

[W. Rabbit]

I actually think Garry Tonon would be a very difficult challenge for Kimura.
Kron Gracie as well.

Very difficult challenge?

You just described BJJ in a nutshell.

Careful, your brand of logic is contagious, you salty dog.

[W. Rabbit]

Agreed. Positioning is 3D

It's 4+-dimensional.

In fact, time is the critical dimension when it comes to positioning. Endurance and willpower are not techniques, they are a state of mind.

Of course you knew that. You're the master of the basics.

[BKR]

Experiencing Judo players in Brazil, France, and a Japanese university team was like jumping in a very, very cold pool compared to my experience playing with US recreational Judo clubs.

Much like competing in Black Belt divisions of Judo at military base tournaments with players who competed for years as Black Belts in those environments was a WORLD of difference between the brown belt division filled with raised local competitors that I frankly dominated.

I got uchimated and sumi gaeshi'd everywhere and rice bag tossed occasionally every time I went for single legs in the internationally experienced black belt Judo division.

I was told by a Japanese coach, that almost 40 years old, as a sandal3, I would do fine at a mid level Japanese HS Shia. Win some matches...

[BKR]

I was told by a Japanese coach, that almost 40 years old, as a sandal3, I would do fine at a mid level Japanese HS Shia. Win some matches...

Tokai Prep, die a quick death.

[goodlun]

All of you are asking the wrong question. The real question is, how would Osvaldo Fadda have faired against Kimura?

Just kidding, I find this type of speculation that has no chance of being answered little more than mental masturbation.

Mental Masturbation is fun, and that is actually a pretty fun question......

[W. Rabbit]

Tokai Prep, die a quick death.

This thread is about to dive into Musashi philosophy, in order to contradict you.

So mote it be.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I actually think Garry Tonon would be a very difficult challenge for Kimura.

Yes, he would have.

Kimura's experience with leg locks from his own Judo competition experience, prior to professional wrestling would have likely been fairly basic.

My money would have been on Tonon.

[BKR]

I would, but I got banned from Bullshido Discord for saying that Sirc had a small penis,

in violation of both the Cyber Bullying laws and the American Disabilities Act.

In retrospect, I never would have made fun of a bonafide physical disability had I but known.

I am ashamed.

You should be, you racist.

[jnp]

Yes, he would have.

Kimura's experience with leg locks from his own Judo competition experience, prior to professional wrestling would have likely been fairly basic.

My money would have been on Tonon.

[W. Rabbit]

Sirc's penis has been on display here for far too long. Decades.

[BKR]

It's 4+-dimensional.

In fact, time is the critical dimension when it comes to positioning. Endurance and willpower are not techniques, they are a state of mind.

Of course you knew that. You're the master of the basics.

I was thinking in purely physical terms, and good point.

[goodlun]

Ryron and Rener are bigger than they look on video.

While traveling for one of the Mundials, I swung over to Rener's when all the controversy was about regarding the Gracie university.

(Unlike the people who bitched about it here, I am not a pussy, and scheduled a meeting to ask Rener to his face.)

I was immediately struck by two things as I waited for the class to end to have our meeting.

First, they taught a solid class.

Second, Rener and Ryron were a lot bigger than I thought.

All of a sudden, I was like, hmmm, maybe I won't try to put on a clinic with/on these guys...

Anyway, Rener gave some solid answers as to what he was about, and I left satisfied and somewhat impressed, actually.

I mean the move to the combative's belt vs the blue belt was still likely a wise move on their parts.
If nothing to cut down on the controversy that spread around the internet.

[BKR]

This thread is about to dive into Musashi philosophy, in order to contradict you.

So mote it be.

???? ?? ??

[Dr. Gonzo]

Damn you for getting me involved in this discussion.

I think you are right, but I’m also certain that Kimura was insanely strong. If the match started from standing, my money would be on Kimura.

Here’s another one. Could Imanari get to his sliding heel hook against Kimura from the standing position?

Kimura was a leg breaker in Judo competition from his Osoto Gari / Osoto Otoshi, so you have a good point.

However, once on the ground, leg attacks are their own model.

And I am mindful of the Great Yamashita, a heavyweight master of Osoto Gari, and one of the greatest modern Judoka,

having his leg broken from Kani Basami (leg scissor throw, often used as an entry into leg locks, and a very effective counter to Osoto entries and Single leg takedown attempts)

resulting in the Kani basami being made illegal in Judo.

As for Imanari, Tonon beat Imanari, at leg locks, so...