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    #46
    Originally posted by Gold,frankincenseandSPRAWL! View Post
    I don't think I've come across an RBSD system that was based in reality.
    Shingitai JuJitsu?
    Army Combatives?
    I don't know I guess its a stretch to call either of those a RBSD system
    Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
    –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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      #47
      Originally posted by Gold,frankincenseandSPRAWL! View Post
      I don't think I've come across an RBSD system that was based in reality. Not saying they don't exist but I've yet to see one. The problem lies in its way of being taught. It's offering step solutions to something that's just a tad too dynamic than that.

      They ask you to think "Some one throws you against the wall, he's going to beat you up, what you going to do" as opposed to just teaching you to fight, where your heads going to be working instinctually, with the quick process of "He's open, I'm going to punch him like I would any other dickhead that's open".
      I always considered the police academy RBSD. In one of the first classes they teach you how to throw a jab-cross combo and a Thai kick. Then you get a partner who holds pads where you throw those strikes. The instructor walks around correcting form and you do that for a day with some breaks. Then the next day, they put the red man suit on and you have to throw those strikes while he attacks you. It goes on like that with different stuff like stepping off the center line and pushing the guy to the side. Stuff like that.
      Combatives training log.

      Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

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      Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

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        #48
        Originally posted by goodlun View Post
        Shingitai JuJitsu?
        I don't know I guess its a stretch to call either of those a RBSD system
        AT least it's alive and realistic. I think it qualifies more than a lot of "RBSD" for sure.
        '“I am no advocate of passivity,” Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. “Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.”'

        My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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          #49
          Originally posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
          I always considered the police academy RBSD. In one of the first classes they teach you how to throw a jab-cross combo and a Thai kick. Then you get a partner who holds pads where you throw those strikes. The instructor walks around correcting form and you do that for a day with some breaks. Then the next day, they put the red man suit on and you have to throw those strikes while he attacks you. It goes on like that with different stuff like stepping off the center line and pushing the guy to the side. Stuff like that.
          Yeah but that's kind of my point with it being live training. You're training basic moves against a resisting and attacking opponent.

          I get the impression from the ones I've trained at and the ones I've seen in training packages such as this here is that RSBD training will give you a lot of circumstantial answers to countless scenarios that are practiced with a non-resisting or co-operative partner. When in reality it's probably better just to learn how to fight and rely on the instincts built through sparring with heavy resistance.

          You don't need a thousand answers to a scenario. Just learn to read someone and if they're open for some thing then do it like you would on the mats.

          I think the problem with a lot of them is that they're over complicating it. Better self defence lessons should focus on getting away from shitty situations and trying to prevent them from happening. The fight part is when all that has fucked up.

          Not sure how that works with police training. We've got a guy over in our gym who has just become a police officer. Said he got a weeks training in tackling and restraining then told he'll get a days refresher in a year's time. He's joined our MMA gym for his own extracurricular activity.
          "BJJ!!! Guard can't protect you from collapsing gym roof, tough guy!" - W. Rabbit

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            #50
            Originally posted by Gold,frankincenseandSPRAWL! View Post
            Yeah but that's kind of my point with it being live training. You're training basic moves against a resisting and attacking opponent.

            I get the impression from the ones I've trained at and the ones I've seen in training packages such as this here is that RSBD training will give you a lot of circumstantial answers to countless scenarios that are practiced with a non-resisting or co-operative partner. When in reality it's probably better just to learn how to fight and rely on the instincts built through sparring with heavy resistance.

            You don't need a thousand answers to a scenario. Just learn to read someone and if they're open for some thing then do it like you would on the mats.

            I think the problem with a lot of them is that they're over complicating it. Better self defence lessons should focus on getting away from shitty situations and trying to prevent them from happening. The fight part is when all that has fucked up.

            Not sure how that works with police training. We've got a guy over in our gym who has just become a police officer. Said he got a weeks training in tackling and restraining then told he'll get a days refresher in a year's time. He's joined our MMA gym for his own extracurricular activity.
            So ideally what I would want to see at least in BJJ is this.
            Learn the fundmentals / concepts / Invisible JJ get your Blue Belt
            At Blue Belt I think their should be a combative curriculum people go through just to develop a tactical plan or more to the point how to use the skills your developing in a confrontation.
            Things like focusing on the hands a bit more so you can keep them from grabbing a knife, focus on coming up on top and being able to maintain situational awareness, disengagement strategies, worrying a bit more about your nuts.
            I think any of this stuff before your a blue belt is likely a waste.
            Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
            –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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              #51
              Originally posted by Gold,frankincenseandSPRAWL! View Post
              Yeah but that's kind of my point with it being live training. You're training basic moves against a resisting and attacking opponent.

              I get the impression from the ones I've trained at and the ones I've seen in training packages such as this here is that RSBD training will give you a lot of circumstantial answers to countless scenarios that are practiced with a non-resisting or co-operative partner. When in reality it's probably better just to learn how to fight and rely on the instincts built through sparring with heavy resistance.

              You don't need a thousand answers to a scenario. Just learn to read someone and if they're open for some thing then do it like you would on the mats.

              I think the problem with a lot of them is that they're over complicating it. Better self defence lessons should focus on getting away from shitty situations and trying to prevent them from happening. The fight part is when all that has fucked up.

              Not sure how that works with police training. We've got a guy over in our gym who has just become a police officer. Said he got a weeks training in tackling and restraining then told he'll get a days refresher in a year's time. He's joined our MMA gym for his own extracurricular activity.
              Police training is hit and miss. I had some pretty good training. My instructor was competing in NHB competitions in Atlanta while he trained us. I trained with him privately after the academy. I also went to the Gracie Combatives for LEO course and taught advanced ground fighting where I worked. I also competed in kickboxing.

              About 4 hours north of me, my brother was a police officer. When he got hired they put him on the street with a gun and car in the FTO program with ZERO training. When he finally went to the academy they did the shitty PPCT which is garbage. Luckily for him, he was an Army Airborne vet who had been through MACP.

              So yeah, it varies.
              Combatives training log.

              Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

              Drum thread

              Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

              "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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                #52
                Ditto (or certainly used to be in the UK). We got a few training sessions and the odd refresher. Some people went off and did a martial art as well (such as yours truly). With hindsight it would have been better if they had said “look, we don’t have the time and resources to train you properly, go off and do judo, ju jitsu or ninjutsu”.

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                  #53
                  The only way to be truly safe in this topsy-turvy world is to go FULL PRE-EMPTIVE!!!!

                  Henceforth, when I leave the basement to fetch my TRT and Viagra refills I will no longer stupidly sashay down the boulevard.

                  Instead, I will find myself a hidey-hole -- maybe in a dark alley or behind a dumpster -- and wait quietly while I assess the threat landscape.

                  When an attacker wanders by, instead of waiting to be raped, I will launch my pre-emptive strike against their eyeballs and nether regions. I will destroy their insteps with my Hoka One Ones.

                  To guarantee I am being Clinical about this, every pre-emptive strike will include a complimentary prostate health check.

                  Once the threat is neutralized I will remove the assailant's wallet. Imagine how they will squirm while explaining to the cops why they don't have their ID. They will be forced to confess their crime against me.

                  In this way I will rid teh str33tz of rapscallions and riff-raff.

                  Claws out bitches!! Lets Do ThiS!!!

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                    Shingitai JuJitsu?
                    Army Combatives?
                    I don't know I guess its a stretch to call either of those a RBSD system
                    The thing is to be any good it needs a combat sport element. And then it is not really a RBSD?
                    Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
                    http://www.facebook.com/#!/WhitsundayMartialArts

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                      #55
                      https://youtu.be/QeMYiD1bKhc

                      As good an excuse as any to plug this interview from a coupon super coaches I know.
                      Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
                      http://www.facebook.com/#!/WhitsundayMartialArts

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