The Top 5 Combat Systems

[W. Rabbit]

Gravity hates us all equally but gives ground fighters an edge. There isn't an invisible force holding us up.... but there is one pulling us down.

Eh, it's YMAS so I'mma outnerd you on this one.

Gravity is not a force pulling us down, according to relativity, it only looks like a force.

It's a geometric curve in spacetime caused by warping effects of mass that results in two objects coming together, with the more massive object winning the tug of war. Hence the illusion of a force, but with infinite range.

This is why judo throws work the way they do, ideally you are passing uke along the shortest curved path to the ground, at the same time you are removing the opposing muscular forces that we use to stand, via a sweep, etc.

[Heuristic]

duh. Unless of course the Bjj fighter is all those things too.



Its not?

What is the point of all your clips? I can do that too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRus6JjB5CA&t=181s

[Raycetpfl]

Who cares if it works on somebody who is untrained? Have a guy who even wrestled informally and recreationally, who has a solid center of gravity, knows the pitfalls, is a good athlete, naturally strong, and a BJJ guy has his work cut out for him.

duh. Unless of course the Bjj fighter is all those things too.

This is not hard to do, and the Muay Thai stylist didn't have to stand properly (his center of gravity was too high).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ0HCXRgU5g&t=41s

Its not?

[goodlun]

They mainly pull guard.

I can fuck up a lot of people from a good guard pull, just saying.

[goodlun]

Well I have. The only time they spar standing is saturdays for guys who are going to compete.

That is 1 more day a week than 99.999% of the population

[goodlun]

Who cares if it works on somebody who is untrained? Have a guy who even wrestled informally and recreationally, who has a solid center of gravity, knows the pitfalls, is a good athlete, naturally strong, and a BJJ guy has his work cut out for him.

I mean I am shit at BJJ but I have subbed a lot of wrestlers that where more athletic than I.

[Heuristic]

What level are you talking about?
At low levels double leg and body lock tackling works great. Especially especially against the untrained.

Who cares if it works on somebody who is untrained? Have a guy who even wrestled informally and recreationally, who has a solid center of gravity, knows the pitfalls, is a good athlete, naturally strong, and a BJJ guy has his work cut out for him.

This is not hard to do, and the Muay Thai stylist didn't have to stand properly (his center of gravity was too high).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ0HCXRgU5g&t=41s

[Raycetpfl]

Just as anybody can take another person down, anybody can STUFF another persons takedown. It cuts both ways.

Gravity hates us all equally but gives ground fighters an edge. There isn't an invisible force holding us up.... but there is one pulling us down.

[Mandem]

Just as anybody can take another person down, anybody can STUFF another persons takedown. It cuts both ways.

Why are you still doing this to yourself? This entire thread has been 7 pages of people ridiculing you. What are you getting out of this?

[Raycetpfl]

I have visited schools and asked instructors exactly how much sparring they do standing up, and it varies. It is not uniformly true for all BJJ schools to spar standing. So to think that you can take someone down based on theory and step-by step training is Aikido level naivness

What level are you talking about?
At low levels double leg and body lock tackling works great. Especially especially against the untrained.

[Heuristic]

Hm. That's an interesting argument. You don't need to spar takedowns in order to be competent at taking people to the ground. You have to train/spar takedowns in order to take people to the ground the way you want. As in, end up in the position you want to end up. You see people fight all the time and end up one the ground. Largely, gravity does most of the work. Then it is up to chance where you end up.

You want to end up in a dominate position. That takes a bit of practice. Same thing in striking. Any moron, with no training can knock someone out. But it takes a bit more skill to do it without hurting yourself, or getting hurt by the other person in the process. Something you don't want to rely on chance for because the alternative is you getting your ass beat.

Just as anybody can take another person down, anybody can STUFF another persons takedown. It cuts both ways.

[Heuristic]

Also you do know that every form of BJJ competition starts standing......

They mainly pull guard.

[Heuristic]

I literally don't know a school that never spars standing up and I can promise you that I have been to way more schools than you.
Also you do know that every form of BJJ competition starts standing......

Well I have. The only time they spar standing is saturdays for guys who are going to compete.

[goodlun]

I have visited schools and asked instructors exactly how much sparring they do standing up, and it varies. It is not uniformly true for all BJJ schools to spar standing. So to think that you can take someone down based on theory and step-by step training is Aikido level naivness

I literally don't know a school that never spars standing up and I can promise you that I have been to way more schools than you.
Also you do know that every form of BJJ competition starts standing......

[Heuristic]

Your post indicates there’s a high probability that you’re a martial theorist. A person who has lots of ideas/hypotheses, but doesn’t have much practical experience.

How many BJJ schools have you visited? It must be quite a few to make sweeping statements like, “A lot of them start in their knees.”. Surely you’re not making this claim based on hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

That’s something a martial theorist would do.

I have visited schools and asked instructors exactly how much sparring they do standing up, and it varies. It is not uniformly true for all BJJ schools to spar standing. So to think that you can take someone down based on theory and step-by step training is Aikido level naivness