The Top 5 Combat Systems

[Heuristic]

As for boxing, just about anything unique to that sport is idiotic to do in a real fight. You can train boxing to hone certain skills, but as a system it's perceptible to getting kneed in the face (silly head movement which only makes sense if you can only punch), low kicked to oblivion, etc.

[hungryjoe]

As for boxing, just about anything unique to that sport is idiotic to do in a real fight. You can train boxing to hone certain skills, but as a system it's perceptible to getting kneed in the face (silly head movement which only makes sense if you can only punch), low kicked to oblivion, etc.

Would you elaborate on what is unique to boxing?

[Sovvolf]

As for boxing, just about anything unique to that sport is idiotic to do in a real fight. You can train boxing to hone certain skills, but as a system it's perceptible to getting kneed in the face (silly head movement which only makes sense if you can only punch), low kicked to oblivion, etc.

Side question and one that pops up often when you start throwing this out there but how many real fights have you actually been in? How are we defining real fight here by the way?

I mean you're not wrong. Ducking like that can lead you to getting kneed in the face and I've actually been the victim of it (damn hurt) but I mean that was an happy accident of me ducking just as he was throwing a body knee and paying for it... Though a well thrown upper cut would have also landed in the same situation so most experienced boxers are fair aware that ducking leaves them vulnerable to something and aren't going just stick there waiting to get twatted in the face.

[jnp]

This, so much this. The ability to slip punches while counterpunching is one of the most under valued skill sets in modern striking systems.

[jnp]

As for boxing, just about anything unique to that sport is idiotic to do in a real fight. You can train boxing to hone certain skills, but as a system it's perceptible to getting kneed in the face (silly head movement which only makes sense if you can only punch), low kicked to oblivion, etc.

Um, I disagree. Granted, almost any martial art has a few techniques that are not suitable to a no holds barred fight.

The footwork and counterpunching techniques taught by boxing are excellent when it comes to being applicable to real world altercations.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Um, I disagree. Granted, almost any martial art has a few techniques that are not suitable to a no holds barred fight.

The footwork and counterpunching techniques taught by boxing are excellent when it comes to being applicable to real world altercations.

Boxing is a contender for highest best bang for the buck training out there.

[NeilG]

Wrestlers were the reason judo changed the rules on leg attacks around a decade ago.

That's a common misconception. It's not true. The rules were changed to prevent people from stalling out with leg grabs and going for wins by small points or penalties. Wrestling style single legs and double legs have never been that much of a factor in judo that they needed to make any rules about it.

[jnp]

Boxing is a contender for highest best bang for the buck training out there.

[Sovvolf]

You could probably take on a vast majority of TKD or Karate black belts with 6 months of Boxing training. To be honest without at least a rudimentary teaching or understanding of boxing or grappling in any art that's claiming any sort of self defence applicability is likely a waste of time.

[Dr. Gonzo]

That's a common misconception. It's not true. The rules were changed to prevent people from stalling out with leg grabs and going for wins by small points or penalties. Wrestling style single legs and double legs have never been that much of a factor in judo that they needed to make any rules about it.

Sure, sure, keep telling yourself that.

It had nothing to do with wrestling and wrestlers infiltrating Judo, and Judoka adopting wrestling techniques, taking emphasis off of the classical Judo throw curriculum.

Or the fact that an athletically strong player armed only with a perfected double leg takedown can win Judo matches against Judo Olympic gold medalists when leg shots and tackles are allowed.

Nothing to do with that whatsoever...

[NeilG]

Or the fact that an athletically strong player armed only with a perfected double leg takedown can win Judo matches against Judo Olympic gold medalists when leg shots and tackles are allowed.

I'm not aware of the happening, maybe BKR is. Can you point me to an example?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm not aware of the happening, maybe BKR is. Can you point me to an example?

Can you still recognize common scents like peanut butter?

Let's attack the proposition from another angle.

Even without leg grabs and leg pick ups, counter attacks often produce more scores in Judo tournament than attacks.

When you factor in leg grabs making counter attacks even more effective, a walk on wrestler who puts on a gi top, can punish Judokas who turn their backs to execute a throw readily.

Which of course was a standard strategy for wrestler Judokas from the soviet bloc countries...

Banning leg attacks reduces the ability of walk on wrestlers to easily counter classical Judo back turning throws and then going for pinning ippon.

And it eliminates the reality that a walk on American style football player in top shape can tackle people whether or not they or their opponent are wearing a gi, and whether or not they or their opponent have Olympic caliber Judo in the broader sense.

Not that every tackle will work, but leg shots are pretty damn effective, especially when performed technically correct by a serious athletic specimen.

[hungryjoe]

I'm not aware of the happening, maybe BKR is. Can you point me to an example?

Ron Tripp comes to mind.

https://oklahoman.com/article/223039...now-judo-champ

[Dr. Gonzo]

Ron Tripp comes to mind.

There are a list of others, starting with Anton Geesink going all the way to Rhadi Ferguson.

[Dr. Gonzo]

How about Hockey?

We have also seen Hockey fighting techniques used in high level MMA: