The Top 5 Combat Systems

[goodlun]

He did train bjj though.

I mean...........show me a good Catch Guy that doesn't have a bit of BJJ heritage.
Even Josh Barnett trained with Erik Paulson

[Raycetpfl]

I mean...........show me a good Catch Guy that doesn't have a bit of BJJ heritage.
Even Josh Barnett trained with Erik Paulson

Paulson and Barnett have spent more time training with bjj guys than catch guys by the looks of it.

[goodlun]

Holy Heck!
So I looked at this, as I know I have seen some terrible grappling matches under the Catch banner.
https://catchwrestlingu.com/2018/06/...nship-preview/
Some of this shit has to be straight up lies.
Looking at Nicholas Caggia specifically:
Their is no fucking way that guy is a "brown belt in BJJ"

Maybe I am missing something like my very own Brown Belt if that is the dang case.................
or maybe that is just some sort of terrible work.......

[W. Rabbit]

Aren't those two a bit unusual from a BJJ point of view though? They are so fucking massive I'm gonna guess they can't even physically perform certain techniques.

[goodlun]

Aren't those two a bit unusual from a BJJ point of view though? They are so fucking massive I'm gonna guess they can't even physically perform certain techniques.

Nicholas Caggia has invites to all sorts of professional events but man, watching him is like watching a fucking white belt, no framing, no posture, no hooks, no physicality.
Like I am not sure what the fuck to think.

[W. Rabbit]

Nicholas Caggia has invites to all sorts of professional events but man, watching him is like watching a fucking white belt, no framing, no posture, no hooks, no physicality.
Like I am not sure what the fuck to think.

I'm thinking I would not want to pull guard.

[goodlun]

Combat Systems: Given the OP I am assuming we are talking empty hand actually in no particular order

1. Machado Jiu-Jitsu
2. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
3. Army Combatives
4. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu
5. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
6. Combat Submission Wrestling
7. Hayastan
8. SAMBO
9. Judo
10. Shingitai Jujitsu
11. Dog Brothers Martial Arts(okay maybe not "empty hand"
12. Having a good Job so you don't have to worry about all this stupid bullshit

[goodlun]

I'm thinking I would not want to pull guard.

He would likely be hard to sweep, its never great to have a fat fucker able to put pressure on you, and keeping it standing is how you get the guys heart to explode.
but Tom DeBlass did Knee bar him I think from the bottom, but I can't actually find the Kasai Pro match.
Tom DeBlass did participate in that dumb professional grappling what ever its called.

Should note I wouldn't in a 1,000,000,000 years try and compare my ability to do the same vs what Tom DeBlass can do.

[W. Rabbit]

DBMA has empty HTH.

That's what Crafty calls "Kali Tudo".

Combat Systems: Given the OP I am assuming we are talking empty hand actually in no particular order

1. Machado Jiu-Jitsu
2. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
3. Army Combatives
4. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu
5. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
6. Combat Submission Wrestling
7. Hayastan
8. SAMBO
9. Judo
10. Shingitai Jujitsu
11. Dog Brothers Martial Arts(okay maybe not "empty hand"
12. Having a good Job so you don't have to worry about all this stupid bullshit

[goodlun]

DBMA has empty HTH.

Well the Joke is that:
It was included due to the fact its grappling is largely based on Machado Jiu-Jitsu with more weapons work, worked in.
Just like
10th Planet
&
Combat Submission Wrestling

[goodlun]

Damn it I should have included
American Jui-Jitsu (Jake Shields)
&
American Jui-Jitsu (Keenan)

[W. Rabbit]

Damn it I should have included
American Jui-Jitsu (Jake Shields)
&
American Jui-Jitsu (Keenan)

What the fuck is "jui-jitsu".

[goodlun]

An Observations from today's open mat, that the "self defense" crowd that don't grapple don't really understand.

For the record I really am terrible at this whole grappling thing, I have no natural talent at all, I have only been back at it from a very long lay off since around mid-august.

Exhaustion: Someone who doesn't grapple has little idea of how fucking exhausting it is to do when you haven't been doing it.
This happened today, we had a blue belt come in that is just getting back into it, so he has a reasonable technical base, wasn't particularly out of shape, but was out of grappling shape.
The fucker was too exhausted to mount any sort of offense or defense. He was sucking wing pretty hard, and I actually think he might have gone and puked in the restroom.
You add in the adrenaline dump of a flight or fight situation and its over before it fucking begins.
I have said it before and I will say it again over and over again, I have watched people that can run a fucking marathon, do obstacle courses, high volume work outs like cross fit come in, and be brought to the point of puking.

People simply don't know how terrible exhausting a fight really is.
On top of that most peoples mental toughness in the face of overwhelming exhaustion, is suspect at best, they just give the fuck up.
I mean like seriously give the fuck up.

[W. Rabbit]

An Observations from today's open mat, that the "self defense" crowd that don't grapple don't really understand.

For the record I really am terrible at this whole grappling thing, I have no natural talent at all, I have only been back at it from a very long lay off since around mid-august.

Exhaustion: Someone who doesn't grapple has little idea of how fucking exhausting it is to do when you haven't been doing it.
This happened today, we had a blue belt come in that is just getting back into it, so he has a reasonable technical base, wasn't particularly out of shape, but was out of grappling shape.
The fucker was too exhausted to mount any sort of offense or defense. He was sucking wing pretty hard, and I actually think he might have gone and puked in the restroom.
You add in the adrenaline dump of a flight or fight situation and its over before it fucking begins.
I have said it before and I will say it again over and over again, I have watched people that can run a fucking marathon, do obstacle courses, high volume work outs like cross fit come in, and be brought to the point of puking.

People simply don't know how terrible exhausting a fight really is.
On top of that most peoples mental toughness in the face of overwhelming exhaustion, is suspect at best, they just give the fuck up.
I mean like seriously give the fuck up.

In my humble opinion, if you haven't hurled and returned to class at least once in your young life, you're a hoser.

[BKR]

In my humble opinion, if you haven't hurled and returned to class at least once in your young life, you're a hoser.

Never done so myself.

Puked, that is. Training or competing.