The Top 5 Combat Systems

[hungryjoe]

Generator's convert energy. When they're working (-:

....cheap dig...you'd expect no less

[W. Rabbit]

Generator's convert energy. When they're working (-:

....cheap dig...you'd expect no less

You could fuel your home all winter with the gas I'm generating today.

[BKR]

Generator's convert energy. When they're working (-:

....cheap dig...you'd expect no less

Sometimes the cheap shots are the best...

[Holy Moment]

Bouncing.

[AprilRains]

Bouncing.

Tigger-fu!

[W. Rabbit]

Tigger-fu!

[AprilRains]

That's more like a Bouncing Betty, I guess.

I say it counts!

[Heuristic]

Are they sufficient to take the fight to the ground with someone that doesn't grapple? Largely yes.

I disagree.. They would need to actual spar takedowns in order to be even remotely competent at them, which a lot of schools don't do. This goes without saying. Someone who strikes can easily put their lights out while they struggle to put their hips into it and the basics that go along with it. A lot of jiujitsu guys aren't even good athletes so they lack the explosiveness to make their takedowns work.

And when I say spar takedowns, I mean even starting standing up. A lot of them start at their knees..

Not that pulling guard is good on the street...

[Diesel_tke]

I disagree.. They would need to actual spar takedowns in order to be even remotely competent at them, which a lot of schools don't do. This goes without saying. Someone who strikes can easily put their lights out while they struggle to put their hips into it and the basics that go along with it. A lot of jiujitsu guys aren't even good athletes so they lack the explosiveness to make their takedowns work.

And when I say spar takedowns, I mean even starting standing up. A lot of them start at their knees..

Not that pulling guard is good on the street...

Hm. That's an interesting argument. You don't need to spar takedowns in order to be competent at taking people to the ground. You have to train/spar takedowns in order to take people to the ground the way you want. As in, end up in the position you want to end up. You see people fight all the time and end up one the ground. Largely, gravity does most of the work. Then it is up to chance where you end up.

You want to end up in a dominate position. That takes a bit of practice. Same thing in striking. Any moron, with no training can knock someone out. But it takes a bit more skill to do it without hurting yourself, or getting hurt by the other person in the process. Something you don't want to rely on chance for because the alternative is you getting your ass beat.

[goodlun]

Not that pulling guard is good on the street...

It wouldn't be my first choice that is for sure, however its a tactic, that can have merit.
1 on 1 fight, with someone that is bigger stronger that i don't want to stand with due to a punchers chance, whom i feel my might have a chance of dropping me on my head in stand up grappling, maybe they are just that much bigger and athletic.
A good guard pull might be the answer.
A good guard pull isn't the same thing as just flopping to ones ass.
I largely don't want to be on the bottom in general even less with strikes and some what even less with someone whom is threatening enough on their feet to warrant just getting to the ground.
But.... their is a whole game around keeping someone's posture broken so that they can't get big shots off and their are a lot of low risk sweeps.
Maybe better to eat a few lower power shots on the ground instead of some big shots on the feet.

However your wrong most BJJ schools do spar on their feet, maybe not often enough, but more often than strikers spar on the ground.

[jnp]

I disagree.. They would need to actual spar takedowns in order to be even remotely competent at them, which a lot of schools don't do. This goes without saying. Someone who strikes can easily put their lights out while they struggle to put their hips into it and the basics that go along with it. A lot of jiujitsu guys aren't even good athletes so they lack the explosiveness to make their takedowns work.

And when I say spar takedowns, I mean even starting standing up. A lot of them start at their knees..

Not that pulling guard is good on the street...

Your post indicates there’s a high probability that you’re a martial theorist. A person who has lots of ideas/hypotheses, but doesn’t have much practical experience.

How many BJJ schools have you visited? It must be quite a few to make sweeping statements like, “A lot of them start in their knees.”. Surely you’re not making this claim based on hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

That’s something a martial theorist would do.

[hungryjoe]

Shhhh

He's a red belt. In TKD.

[Heuristic]

Your post indicates there’s a high probability that you’re a martial theorist. A person who has lots of ideas/hypotheses, but doesn’t have much practical experience.

How many BJJ schools have you visited? It must be quite a few to make sweeping statements like, “A lot of them start in their knees.”. Surely you’re not making this claim based on hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

That’s something a martial theorist would do.

I have visited schools and asked instructors exactly how much sparring they do standing up, and it varies. It is not uniformly true for all BJJ schools to spar standing. So to think that you can take someone down based on theory and step-by step training is Aikido level naivness

[goodlun]

I have visited schools and asked instructors exactly how much sparring they do standing up, and it varies. It is not uniformly true for all BJJ schools to spar standing. So to think that you can take someone down based on theory and step-by step training is Aikido level naivness

I literally don't know a school that never spars standing up and I can promise you that I have been to way more schools than you.
Also you do know that every form of BJJ competition starts standing......

[Heuristic]

I literally don't know a school that never spars standing up and I can promise you that I have been to way more schools than you.
Also you do know that every form of BJJ competition starts standing......

Well I have. The only time they spar standing is saturdays for guys who are going to compete.