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    100 a minute sounds extremely optimistic. To the point of being an unhealthy metabolic rate. Like overdosing on heroic amounts of cocaine unhealthy.

    Now don't get me wrong. There are ways to BURN it quick.
    Sex burns 130cal / 30 minutes
    Shivering hard burns 100cal / 10 minutes.
    A decent leg session will burn 500-800cal over the course of a workout.

    So I think the solution to this 100/minute thing is getting high on speedballs then deadlifting / rough sexing a resisting opponent in a meat locker.

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      So,

      https://www.hss.edu/conditions_burni...xpenditure.asp

      I am on my phone, so do some calls. Yourselves.

      Ex. 150 lb woman running 8 mph (7.5 min/mile) burns 16 Calories/minute.
      Falling for Judo since 1980

      "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

      "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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        Originally posted by Heuristic View Post
        Do you think Jiujitsu practitioners have good takedowns?
        Of course many do. It's a matter of who instructs. I did plenty of good standup in BJJ, and by good I mean judo quality.

        If you shop right, you can easily find a jits instructor who had done both and values both types of waza.

        And it's an obvious false dichotomy to suggest that it's one or the other.

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          Originally posted by BKR View Post
          So,

          https://www.hss.edu/conditions_burni...xpenditure.asp

          I am on my phone, so do some calls. Yourselves.

          Ex. 150 lb woman running 8 mph (7.5 min/mile) burns 16 Calories/minute.
          Thanks, I think you're illustrating my point.

          The numbers you have to plug in to get anywhere near 100 kcal/60s is just not realistic unless you're a moderately sized predatory dinosaur.

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            Originally posted by Heuristic View Post
            Do you think Jiujitsu practitioners have good takedowns?
            The question isn't if they have good take downs, its if they have sufficient take downs for what ever your goals are.
            Are they sufficient to take the fight to the ground with someone that doesn't grapple? Largely yes.
            Are they sufficient to knock most wrestlers off their feet...... really going to depend on what you train, Gordon Ryan hit Kani basami on Bo Nickal twice.
            But not to any great effect.... more to the point where he decided it was worth getting suplexed to get it to the ground.....
            However that is all the extreme end.
            I have never ever seen someone on world star hip hop hit a great sprawl on anyone that knew even the littlest bit of grappling shit even seen a many terrible double leg work and I mean a shit double leg the bend over at the waist one
            Not a change levels, maintain posture and shoot one. I have never seen anyone ever sprawl in a street fight/bar fight/world star hip hop fight ever successfully sprawl on a proper shoot.
            Nor have I ever seen anyone in an amature fight that doesn't train grappling properly sprawl on a proper shoot.
            I have seen plenty of BJJ guys that can do a proper shot
            Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
            –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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              Originally posted by Ice Hole View Post
              Thanks, I think you're illustrating my point.

              The numbers you have to plug in to get anywhere near 100 kcal/60s is just not realistic unless you're a moderately sized predatory dinosaur.
              You're off on another "I have to be right on the Internet," rant.

              100kcal/minute is not unattainable, by your own admission. You're just trying to math your way into it being a fallacy, based on lower levels of activity. And, you're trying to troll me (and Tim, and whoever else that actually knows better).

              The level of physical activity involved in actual competition far exceeds any hard training. It pains me to say it, because you *should* know better, what with getting kicked of the platform or whatever that shitfest was. Or, maybe you were just sandbagging, or too scared to engage?
              Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                Originally posted by Nutcracker, sweet! View Post
                100kcal/minute is not unattainable, by your own admission.
                No, you must be confused.

                I believe it is unattainable, based on the fact that burning 100 kcal in 1 minute doesn't seem humanly possible.

                Did you plug the same numbers in I did? In order to burn that much energy in 60s, you need to be far more massive than a Sumo wrestler, and you still wouldn't come close to that, even during an intense anaerobic sprint.

                I'd like to note that Tim's table consists of mostly ratios, except for two places, and I believe if you take another look you'll see the problem. Namely, Tim fudged his numbers in two places. It's clear as crystal. He'd probably even admit it if tasked.

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                  Originally posted by Ice Hole View Post
                  Thanks, I think you're illustrating my point.

                  The numbers you have to plug in to get anywhere near 100 kcal/60s is just not realistic unless you're a moderately sized predatory dinosaur.
                  Well, I sure was not arguing...

                  Nobody is burning 100 Calories/minute. I doubt it is physiologically possible.

                  Maybe as an instantaneous rate for a few seconds?

                  Needs more googling...
                  Last edited by BKR; 12/11/2019 9:58pm, . Reason: Can't spell...
                  Falling for Judo since 1980

                  "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                  "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                  "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                    Originally posted by Ice Hole View Post
                    No, you must be confused.

                    I believe it is unattainable, based on the fact that burning 100 kcal in 1 minute doesn't seem humanly possible.

                    Did you plug the same numbers in I did? In order to burn that much energy in 60s, you need to be far more massive than a Sumo wrestler, and you still wouldn't come close to that, even during an intense anaerobic sprint.

                    I'd like to note that Tim's table consists of mostly ratios, except for two places, and I believe if you take another look you'll see the problem. Namely, Tim fudged his numbers in two places. It's clear as crystal. He'd probably even admit it if tasked.
                    Michael Phelps ate 12,000 Kcal/day...
                    https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...lympics-2016-8

                    So, max avg would be 8.33Kcal/minute.

                    Would need to subtract basal rate, that would lower that.

                    High volume work...
                    Falling for Judo since 1980

                    "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                    "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                    "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Michael Phelps ate 12,000 Kcal/day...
                      https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...lympics-2016-8

                      So, max avg would be 8.33Kcal/minute.

                      Would need to subtract basal rate, that would lower that.

                      High volume work...
                      Phelps admitted that 12k was an exaggeration (article I linked earlier I believe covers it); still, I would buy 8k+ for him and others like him.
                      Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                        Originally posted by Nutcracker, sweet! View Post
                        Phelps admitted that 12k was an exaggeration (article I linked earlier I believe covers it); still, I would buy 8k+ for him and others like him.
                        So 8000 makes his average even lower.
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

                        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                        "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                          Last edited by NeilG; 12/12/2019 7:44am, .

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                            Originally posted by BKR View Post
                            Michael Phelps ate 12,000 Kcal/day...
                            https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...lympics-2016-8

                            So, max avg would be 8.33Kcal/minute.

                            Would need to subtract basal rate, that would lower that.

                            High volume work...
                            You said it, literally, Joules.

                            Before Mrs. Rabbit yanked my attention late last night, I did some calculations.

                            The energy required to achieve 100Cal/min (1,667 little calories per second, or 7,000 J/s, or 7kW) is way beyond human capability.

                            For comparison, the Wingate test I did last night. 500W (500J/s) is probably not that great, but even if you could do 3x better, you'd still be nowhere close to a 100kcal/minute burn.

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                              Originally posted by Ice Hole View Post
                              You said it, literally, Joules.

                              Before Mrs. Rabbit yanked my attention late last night, I did some calculations.

                              The energy required to achieve 100Cal/min (1,667 little calories per second, or 7,000 J/s, or 7kW) is way beyond human capability.

                              For comparison, the Wingate test I did last night. 500W (500J/s) is probably not that great, but even if you could do 3x better, you'd still be nowhere close to a 100kcal/minute burn.
                              Yeah, I went and looked up joules, ergs, dyne-cm, watts, newton meters, etc, because I could not remember the relationships.

                              Thanks for doing the arithmetic.

                              Really this whole thing should have started out is asking the basic questions what are the limits on a possibility 4 the human body in terms of energy I'll take and output.

                              What's it called bracketing or something like that?

                              those things I learned in grad school and then use a lot in application in Oil Business. Range of possibility P10 P90 all that kind of stuff.
                              Last edited by BKR; 12/15/2019 3:13pm, .
                              Falling for Judo since 1980

                              "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                              "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                              "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                                Originally posted by BKR View Post
                                Yeah, I went and looked up joules, ergs, dyne-cm, watts, newton meters, etc, because I could not remember the relationships.

                                Thanks for doing the arithmetic.

                                Really this whole thing should have started out is asking the basic questions what are the limits on a possibility 4 the human body in terms of energy I'll take and output.

                                What's it called bracketing or something like that?

                                those things I learned in grad school and then use a lot in application in Oil Business. Range of possibility P10 P90 all that kind of stuff.
                                This clip sums it up nicely.

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