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    #31
    Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    Here's the deal, and this applies to what I posted, too.

    There is what really happened, and there is the spin of it, like what is sometimes called the "telephone game" or "whisper down the lane".

    Some of this stuff is caught on video.

    Other bits of the story are urban legend, that will vary depending on who is reporting, and which point of view they got their telephone game from.

    In all cases, it is interesting, though.

    Some things I got to see with my own eyes, and some of those things were stranger than people realize.

    ie, seeing Wallid Ismail pull off his ear rings and challenge the entire Gracie Barra gym to fight at the world tournament.

    Or Ryan and Wallid proving that every black belt should train punch defense to standing headlocks by the impromptu scuffle.

    Which is probably why Ralph didn't think twice before starting a fight at the world tournament.

    That was just Ralph being Ralph and doing what he, and a lot of the jiu-jitsu community in Brazil, had been doing his whole life.
    Why was Wallid upset with Gracie Barra?

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      #32
      Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
      Why was Wallid upset with Gracie Barra?
      It's not exactly that he was upset over a reason, really.

      Wallid once went to George Medhi's Judo academy, a very good Judo academy, and challenged a group of those black belts to fight on the spot.

      Several of them grabbed Wallid and threw him down the stairs of the academy as he was throwing punches, kicking at them, and probably covering them in spittle as he verbally abused them.

      Almost immediately on getting out of the hospital, Wallid whipped the shit out of two main guys specifically (one at a time, this time), putting them in the hospital.

      Wallid was the most loyal student to Carson Gracie Sr, like ever.

      Carson's academy was known as the brutal top game style, and had a tremendous rivalry with Carlos Gracie Jr.'s academy (Gracie Barra), who considered themselves the technical players.

      So, Wallid would take every opportunity to jaw at them, compete against them, or even fight them, except when Luta Livre guys presented, and then Wallid would go to that same rival academy and offer to help beat up the Luta Livre guys.

      And....that is Wallid.

      Point of trivia.

      Wallid was one of the most notable of the second generation Gracie Hunters, and the first sponsored Jiu-Jitsu athlete to cover his gi in sponsor patches like a stock car.

      Many poseurs would put patches on their gis without sponsors to imitate his look.
      Last edited by Dr. Gonzo; 11/14/2019 9:09pm, .

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        #33
        Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post

        Point of trivia.

        Wallid was one of the most notable of the second generation Gracie Hunters, and the first sponsored Jiu-Jitsu athlete to cover his gi in sponsor patches like a stock car.

        Many poseurs would put patches on their gis without sponsors to imitate his look.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
          It's not exactly that he was upset over a reason, really.

          Wallid once went to George Medhi's Judo academy, a very good Judo academy, and challenged a group of those black belts to fight on the spot.

          Several of them grabbed Wallid and threw him down the stairs of the academy as he was throwing punches, kicking at them, and probably covering them in spittle as he verbally abused them.

          Almost immediately on getting out of the hospital, Wallid whipped the shit out of two main guys specifically (one at a time, this time), putting them in the hospital.

          Wallid was the most loyal student to Carson Gracie Sr, like ever.

          Carson's academy was known as the brutal top game style, and had a tremendous rivalry with Carlos Gracie Jr.'s academy (Gracie Barra), who considered themselves the technical players.

          So, Wallid would take every opportunity to jaw at them, compete against them, or even fight them, except when Luta Livre guys presented, and then Wallid would go to that same rival academy and offer to help beat up the Luta Livre guys.

          And....that is Wallid.

          Point of trivia.

          Wallid was one of the most notable of the second generation Gracie Hunters, and the first sponsored Jiu-Jitsu athlete to cover his gi in sponsor patches like a stock car.

          Many poseurs would put patches on their gis without sponsors to imitate his look.
          By not attending a Gracie affiliated school, I think I miss out on a lot of juicy goss.

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            #35
            Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
            Why was Wallid upset with Gracie Barra?

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              #36
              Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
              And, that was not an act, nor for show.

              That was Wallid, being the real Wallid.

              He actually came from the Amazon region originally before moving to Rio and training with Carlson.

              And, I am not kidding about that.

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                  #38
                  So do you think Renzo just lied or did he lie to build hype for the match?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                    So do you think Renzo just lied or did he lie to build hype for the match?
                    Neither. Renzo is under contract to One FC and Wallid owns his own promotion in Brazil.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                      Neither. Renzo is under contract to One FC and Wallid owns his own promotion in Brazil.
                      So now I'm confused.

                      If Renzo told the truth, does that mean Wallid lied?

                      Or is this just a disagreement over which venue they will fight in?

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                        So now I'm confused.

                        If Renzo told the truth, does that mean Wallid lied?

                        Or is this just a disagreement over which venue they will fight in?
                        It's hard to explain.

                        These two guys really have much, much more in common they do in difference.

                        They are both going to jaw at each other naturally.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Dung
                          Or is this just a disagreement over which venue they will fight in?
                          contract disputes would be my bet. Neither of them posses fear of fighting to my knowledge.
                          Last edited by Raycetpfl; 11/15/2019 10:38am, .

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                            #43
                            I found that article years ago.

                            A lot of the re-res who got their shit pushed in back in the no-holds-barred days had some El Violador-style excuses for their defeats:

                            After losing in UFC 2, chunner David Levicki claimed he could've easily broken Johnny Rhodes' neck with a technique he learned in the Navy Seals. Even though it would've been legal, he held back because he didn't want to kill him.

                            After getting his face ripped off by Dave Beneteau, chunner Asbel Cancio conceded that grappling was good "for a one-on-one fight," but still claimed the UFC's rules favored grapplers. He also implied Beneteau (A wrestler) was too afraid to stand and bang with him.

                            After tapping to a choke by Remco Pardoel, pressure point stylist Ryan Parker (Who previously claimed to be immune to chokes) claimed the submission only had a mild effect on him and that he could've fought on, but didn't want to tire Remco out before his fight with Marco Ruas. He also claimed he was offered more fights in the UFC, but declined when they banned throat strikes.

                            Originally posted by BKR View Post
                            So, who took the Gracie Challenge and won ? That would be more interesting...
                            Kimura beat Helio.

                            Waldemar Santana beat Helio and drew with Carlson Sr.

                            Euclides Pereira beat Carlson Sr.

                            Ivan Gomes drew with Carlson Sr.

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                              #44
                              A lot of the old UFC's are back on Youtube! Great reference for these discussions.

                              https://youtu.be/Z6N1axku8QA

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                                Some Just down voted this post.... proving america really hates their fruits and vegetables.

                                My advice is to set down the Twinkies,take a lap and eat a carrot you fat fuck.

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