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    The Man Who Took the Gracie Challenge and Lost!

    While pursuing some videos on youtube i came across this old Gracie challenge video from back in the day (see below). The "challenger" at the 5:10 mark piqued my memory and i remember seeing his story in an old edition (April 1992) of Black Belt magazine. The article was titled "The Man Who Accepted the Gracie Challenge and Lost!" and concerned a kempo karate stylist who decided to take on the Gracie family. Anyway i'm just throwing this out there for nostalgia purposes and it was interesting to see his version of his matches with Royler Gracie and what the tape shows. I also enjoyed his somewhat underhanded comments about "...if this had been a streetfight i would have done things differently..." This link should take you to the article https://books.google.ca/books?id=-s8...allenge&f=true

    If the link doesn't work google "black belt magazine april 1992" and the article is on page 18.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7l4pfD3Rw

    #2
    He is a Soke Shihan of his own style. “Guardian Jujitsu”

    Perhaps Royler didn’t hit him hard enough.
    King without a crown

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      #3
      I was hoping that this would say he learned his lesson, trained in BJJ and is now a black belt.
      Combatives training log.

      Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

      Drum thread

      Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

      "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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        #4
        Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post
        I was hoping that this would say he learned his lesson, trained in BJJ and is now a black belt.
        No, he had to try to create his own system. I mean, if he had just done this or that in that fight, he would have won, amirite?
        Falling for Judo since 1980

        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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          #5
          Originally posted by BKR View Post
          No, he had to try to create his own system. I mean, if he had just done this or that in that fight, he would have won, amirite?
          I should have known.....he's already been discussed here..... https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...ghlight=gracie

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            #6
            Originally posted by andrewa View Post
            I should have known.....he's already been discussed here..... https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...ghlight=gracie
            Thanks for that. It was an interesting read. Is he still teaching the same stuff out there?
            Combatives training log.

            Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

            Drum thread

            Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

            "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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              #7
              Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post
              Thanks for that. It was an interesting read. Is he still teaching the same stuff out there?
              He's now a 9th degree and a "Guest Master" at Guardian Quest, which I guess is the logical successor to Guardian Academy.

              Honestly this thread was a rare case of somebody getting the Bullshido Treatment and actually keeping their heads on straight.

              New site:
              http://www.gqdojo.com/about/

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                #8
                So, who took the Gracie Challenge and won ? That would be more interesting...
                Falling for Judo since 1980

                "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BKR View Post
                  So, who took the Gracie Challenge and won ? That would be more interesting...
                  Throughout the nineties, flukes happened.

                  In general, most trained fighters and untrained fighters that came into Gracie Jiu-Jitsu rooms looking for a fight were beaten, sometimes multiple times, just to prove the point.

                  But, fluke losses did occur.

                  Strike connected from a sloppy clinch attempt.

                  A freak headlock around the temples caused the jiu-jitsu man to go out.

                  A Judo man would get the ezekiel.

                  Point of trivia, the ezekiel is called the ezekiel because a Judo black belt choked a BJJ black belt out with it.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BKR View Post
                    So, who took the Gracie Challenge and won ? That would be more interesting...
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
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                      Dr Gonzo's teacher was Saku's bjj teacher before that fight.

                      Also 1and 1 against Royce. It would have been more accurate to show Royler, Renzo, or Ryan.
                      Last edited by Raycetpfl; 11/14/2019 7:37pm, .
                      The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                        Dr Gonzo's teacher was Saku's bjj teacher before that fight.

                        Also 1and 1 against Royce. It would have been more accurate to show Royler, Renzo, or Ryan.
                        True. but that is a great shot, and I had it on my computer.

                        Also thanks, I did not know that there was a connection there... I wonder if the Dr. knows how someone could get an autograph?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                          Dr Gonzo's teacher was Saku's bjj teacher before that fight.
                          Sergio Luis Da Penha.

                          I remember training with Sergio directly before he flew over to Japan to train him.

                          Mainly because during that training session, I was submitted in ways that were both painful and novel, and left a lasting impression not to put my limbs in those places again.
                          Last edited by Dr. Gonzo; 11/14/2019 7:53pm, .

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
                            True. but that is a great shot, and I had it on my computer.

                            Also thanks, I did not know that there was a connection there... I wonder if the Dr. knows how someone could get an autograph?
                            It is a great shot.


                            An autograph from Saku? Go to one of his grappling events.

                            I got Royce to sign one of my brown belts. Royce was a childhood hero. He's a nice guy.
                            The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                              It is a great shot.


                              An autograph from Saku? Go to one of his grappling events.

                              I got Royce to sign one of my brown belts. Royce was a childhood hero. He's a nice guy.
                              I should.. Japan is literally on the other side of the world... but its on the list. I have a cousin there.

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