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    The Kyokushin vs Wing Chun Youtube video.

    This is supposedly the video which makes people say "Look! WC guys can fight!."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIiIcmFOkU

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    Disclaimer: I’m definitely not a WCnner in any way nor am I giving the link to prove that WC guys are credible.
    Last edited by Awesomeg; 5/11/2019 3:06am, .

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        #4
        Originally posted by Awesomeg View Post
        This is supposedly the video which makes people say "Look! WC guys can fight!."
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIiIcmFOkU
        This is a video of two fighters who are not well rounded fighters.

        When ignorant fuckers watch this type of video,

        they often mistake a video showing fighters with significant gaps in their training,

        who are applying various models poorly,

        or more specifically applying a model that has a rock-paper-scissor value

        in the wrong rock-paper-scissor opportunity,

        often times because they are not well trained in which model works well when and where,

        or because they are not well trained across the various model scenarios,

        and mistake that with an assumption that adjunctive training methods that the fighters are claiming to be representatives of have no value.

        When in fact, it is an example of poorly well rounded fighter, who often lacks basics in various parts of the game and has holes in their training.

        In a grosser example that will be easier for most of you to see,

        take a grappler without any striking exposure and put him in that striking ruleset,

        and he or she will often suffer, at least until they adjust,

        take a striker with no grappling experience and when a grappler takes them down, they are usually lost if they did not manage to land an on the button strike when the grappler comes in.

        Wing Chun, like several other models of training, is a potentially useful adjunctive training when combined with a serious base in grappling and boxing / kickboxing.

        Just like training wristlocks are a potentially useful adjunctive training when combined with a serious base in grappling and boxing / kickboxing.

        Just like spinning elbows, backfists, and spinning back kicks are potentially useful adjunctive techniques when combined with a serious base in bread and butter striking techniques.

        When one does not have grounding in the bread and butter rock-paper-scissor scenarios, then adjunctive techniques and adjunctive training models become lower percentage to varying, often large degrees.

        When one does have grounding in the common rock-paper-scissor models, then adjunctive techniques, and adjunctive training models can give one an extra percentage edge, and extra percentage edges can come in very handy.

        I take great pleasure pointing this out on Bullshido, because many Bullshido members, including the trained grapplers and strikers on the site,

        have profound biases to the point of ridiculousness, willful ignorance, and petty trolling

        when it comes to adjunctive training opportunities to help give fighters

        who are otherwise well trained in the more widely recognized bread and butter rock-paper-scissor models (boxing, kickboxing, common competitive grappling styles)

        a little more spit and polish, and little more fluidity, effectiveness, timing, etc in certain parts of the rock-paper-scissor models.
        Last edited by Dr. Gonzo; 5/11/2019 5:57am, .

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          #5
          Watched the first fight. Neither guy is a top tier striker and the kyokushin guy looks very uncomfortable getting punched in the face, but I feel like the chunner deserves at least some credit. He is clearly used to sparring in an alive manner and appears to be using wing chun techniques. This doesn't mean I would tell anyone to train wing chun where he does, but this is some of the least embarrassing striking I've seen from those guys yet. Kyokushin dude does not deserve his black belt though. He should be slamming leg kicks and ripping body shots, especially when he gets in close.

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            The Kyokushin vs Wing Chun Youtube video.

            Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
            take a grappler without any striking exposure and put him in that striking ruleset,

            take a striker with no grappling experience and when a grappler takes them down, they
            Last edited by Detritus667; 5/11/2019 12:18pm, .

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              #7
              Originally posted by Detritus667 View Post
              Nobody did ever do or film something like that - oh wait they did 26 years ago - UFC 1 it was called I think.
              Yes, that is right.
              People who make such claims are silly, regardless of what "style" or sport they claim to represent.

              Although, we must acknowledge such claims can be used successfully as a marketing device,

              as the circus loving mob eats up those marketing claims as if they were candy, and will beg for more.

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                #8
                The two big thing for novice fighters to get right is straight punches and cardio.

                That is what chun guy did. That is why he won.

                You can of course do everything that is learned in chun by doing boxing or kick boxing. And you will learn other magical talents like head movement to boot.

                So it is sort of yeah, kinda chun methods work. That is why combat sports use them.
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                  #9
                  There are ways to box grapplers. The thing is if you are going in to a fight where there is grappling you are not going to ignore half the rule set.

                  K1 fighters seem to get up to speed pretty quickly in MMA. without needing a lifetime of the Beej.
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                    #10
                    These guys haven't been training for a long time. Kicks don't look crisp. I don't know that much about wing chun so I can't comment on it. Looks like both schools are not able to break the other's distance.

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                        #12
                        Well, it was the streets so you would have died anyway.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post
                          Well, it was the streets so you would have died anyway.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
                            . He should be slamming leg kicks and ripping body shots, especially when he gets in close.
                            i think he was so overwhelmed with the shock of something completely unfamiliar (face punches) that he just tried to keep his guard up and forgot about his strong points.
                            Also, the kyokushin tendency to stand your ground and grind was a godsend for the WC guy. If the karateka would have kept moving to the sides and kept slamming low kicks, things might have gone differently.

                            props to the wc guy for actually taking part!

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                              #15
                              You can be reasonably athletic and win fights. That Jai dude kung fooed his way through a few first time fighters as well.
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