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    Got me a live one.

    On a hunch (><) I decided to check the Wikipedia for the last 10 years of historical edits made to the page for Choy Li Fut (AKA "CLF"), a "Southern Shaolin" martial art of relative fame sort of related to my own.

    Lo and behold I found this statement along with a reference: "Choy Li Fut is an effective self-defense system".

    Hark? A non-encyclopedic entry?

    The reference in question was: Befriend and Betray: Infiltrating the Hells Angels, Bandidos and Other Criminal Brotherhoods, Author: Alex Caine, Hardcover: 304 pages, Publisher: Thomas Dunne Books; 1st edition (February 17, 2009), Language: English, ISBN 0-312-53719-0, ISBN 978-0-312-53719-7.

    Intrigued, I immediately set out to investigate Alex Caine, the alleged Befriender/Betrayer/CLF Master: https://www.amazon.com/Alex-Caine/e/...ne_cont_book_1

    Samples:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...t_bibl_vppi_i4


    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...t_bibl_vppi_i0


    That brought me to this video interview, but only after reading numerous Amazon and Youtube comments about this guy bullshitting about his military service by people who seem to know.

    The best part? Alex Caine is not even his real name, he's so shady. But he'll go on camera and give an interview.

    Right. "3 contracts" on his life. "Testified in court 142 times, lost twice".



    Which brings me back to Choy Li Fut, and why Bullshido has no information on this character. It's very possible this guy has some sort of background infiltrating gangs for the police...but I can't find evidence of it other than his books and interviews.

    The Dux Ryu seems strong with this one. If you ONLY read the stuff, you'd get this image of a Southern Shaolin asskicker. Then I watched the videos and wonder how much of this guy is just blown smoke.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 3/25/2019 11:02pm, .

    #2
    For starters, 9 (nine) people on Amazon thought this 1 star review was helpful.

    Somebody really cared enough to write this, and it's not the only one out there.

    This guy is a fraud, his story about how he served in the US Military in Vietnam is a pack of lies from beginning to end. He makes numerous claims which are the hallmarks of those who make up such stories.

    I'm not saying he's never done SOME of what he says he's done regarding undercover stuff. That's not my area of expertise.

    The US military is. Guns are. Knowing the difference between people who are for real and who are posers is. Martial Arts is. Military history is.

    This guy set off my bullcrap detector on page 2. PAGE 2!! Allow me to quote, "The botched --and highly secret--police ambush of a Hell's Angel's drug run through the California desert had left who knows how many dead. I'd witnessed at least four bikers and two cops bite it before I was dragged out of that particular mess."

    I was LMAO, and I wasn't even out of the Prologue yet.....Really? Two cops killed and it was just all hushed up? No civilian traffic coming from either direction to see any of this? This is complete and utter BULLCRAP. There is NO REASON why such a thing would have been kept secret if it had in fact happened. It would have been ALL OVER the news.

    Later on he talks about buying a belt fed "BRAN" (sic) gun from a biker in Washington State. Problem is, BREN's aren't belt fed. And BREN's aren't common in the US at all, but coincidentally they are in Canada, where he's from, having been used by the Canadian military is WWII and Korea.

    But then he starts talking about his purported military service. I needed hip waders just to get through the next dozen or so pages. Let me preface by saying that military related posers is a subject I have some familiarity with. Often they are people who in fact served in some capacity. Alex may fit into that other category, the posers who NEVER served in ANY capacity.

    Why do I say that?

    Because he can't decide if he was in the Army or the Marines. No, seriously. But we'll get to that shortly.

    Bottom of page 23 he states that as part of the induction process there made to write their wills. This does not happen. A next-of-kin is designated, that's all. He states that they took the MMPI. (this refers to the Minnisota Multi-Phase Personality Inventory) The military does not use the MMPI. I'm sure he was made to take one at some point by his police handlers. Unfortunately it's not a very good test, none of the variations of it are either, they only trip up people too stupid to recognize the same question phrased in multiple different ways, or those who follow the instructions to tell the truth when answering the questions. Liars, which Alex Caine most certainly is, do not often follow such instructions.

    At the top of page 24, he states that they were all bussed to Parris Island. This is one of two United States Marine Corp bases where Basic Recruit Training is conducted, the other being Marine Corp Recruit Depot/San Diego on the West Coast. So, he's a Marine, right?

    He states that at this time he had Black Belts in both Karate and Tae Kwon Do. He's how old at this point? 22-23? Not to mention that Karate and TKD are basically the same thing, TKD being "Korean-ized" Shotokan, basically Shotokan with an emphasis on kicking, especially on high and circular kicks.

    Then he basically starts digging his grave as far as any credible claim to military service. He states that "early on the SFSA (Special Forces Selection and Assessment) team took notice of me and certain other arrivals and streaming us toward something other than regular grunt duty. They never told us what we were being groomed for and of course we never asked - lesson number one in the Marines is keep your questions to yourself."

    I hardly know where to start here, so lets do it by the numbers.

    1) There are no "Special Forces" in the United States Marines. Special Forces is an Army formation, aka "The Green Berets". They do not train at Parris Island, but at Ft. Bragg. And they do not start looking at people who have not even completed Army Basic Training. Oh wait, I forgot, he's at USMC Boot Camp..... :rolleyes:

    2) It's not SFSA - Special Forces Selection and Assessment. It's SFAS, Special Forces Assessment and Selection. You get assessed before you get selected.

    3) SFAS did not exist in the time period he claims service, and it's not a team that looks over the incoming recruits, it a separate course that you attend after applying specifically for it, but not until you have completed Basic Training, an MOS school such as Infantry/Combat Engineer/Radio Operator, and Basic Airborne, aka "Jump School". And that's now. Back then there was no SFAS, it didn't exist until the late 80's or so.

    4) "We didn't have to do the extended runs with heavy packs". LOL really? Yeah, 'cause everyone knows training in SF is actually EASIER than a line Infantry unit.......

    5) There is no such thing as being groomed for something and not being told anything as to why, unless we are are talking about sexual predators.

    6) "We didn't have to do the same things as guys going through regular boot camp. BULLCRAP. There is no such animal, NO SUCH THING as joining any branch of the service and not having to complete basic training. I can't tell you how many bullcrap stories, books even, that have been spun by frauds who made this type of claim as part of their story. It doesn't happen. Period.

    7) "First stop in Vietnam, as it was for all soldiers Captain on down, was KP duty." More Bullcrap. Do you really think Officers do KP? THEY DO NOT. NCO's do not either. That's Private/PFC/SP4 work right there. Oh wait, did he say "Soldiers"? But.... I thought he was a Marine? LOL, go call a US Marine a soldier and see how fast you get corrected. Marines are not "soldiers". Except to civilians who don't know there's a difference. This is why I say I doubt he was ever in the military at all.

    8) So, according to him, after a couple of days IN VIETNAM they are taken out to another location and "spend two weeks of training and assessment to determine their MOS, or Military Occupational Specialty. Here's the problem with this, all the MOS School's (your basic military job specific training) are back in the States. And he's in Vietnam.....

    9) "I was classified 18A". Yeah. That would be the US Army designator for Special Forces Detachment Commander, meaning that he'd be an Officer, usually a Captain/O-3 for an SFODA. (SF Operational Detachment Alpha, aka an "A Team") In a pinch a very seasoned 1st Lt due for promotion to CPT. But wait, I thought he was in the Marines.........Another problem is, the "18 Series" Special Forces MOS's didn't exist back then, they came along in the late 80's early 90's sometime along with SFAS. As late as 1981 when I was assigned to an SF unit you had an SF designator attached to your regular MOS. So, in my case, while I held the MOS of 11B-Infantry/Light Weapons Specialist, my job slot was 54E1S. 54E is NBC Recon Specialist, 1S signifies attachment or assignment to a Special Forces unit. Also, 18A isn't actually an "job skill/training" MOS because it's filled by an officer, it's a position designator. Officers don't have MOS's, only enlisted soldiers do. Officers have BRANCHES. Infantry Branch, Communications Branch, and so forth.

    OK listen, I have to stop here. I could keep on going picking this crap apart bit by bit, but there's just such an overwhelming level of crap here, I mean, most people who claim to have been in the military and/or Vietnam do a much better job of faking it than this guy, and even then their stories fall apart at the speed of sound to someone who was actually in the military.
    I am 99% certain this guy never served AT ALL, this stuff he's written is just so badly made up that a real vet who'd only been a Chaplain's Assistant or a Cook would do a better job. It's painfully obvious (as in "this crap was painful to read") that "Alex" read a bunch of books about the military and Vietnam and cobbled a bunch of the details together.

    I'm sure if you asked him about this he'd have a glib and "plausible" explanation. But that would be bullcrap too. Last of all he states that he got his DD214 while he was still in Vietnam. Sorry G.I., it don't work that way, you only get that when you process out of the Army/Marines (whichever) back in the States.

    Quite frankly anyone who (supposedly) ever went to jail as a result of his testimony needs a new trial. I am no fan of 1%'ers at all, I am in no doubt at all as to their criminal activities and the damage they do to society. But unless we're going to take them all out and shoot them, (a great idea IMO) and as long as we are giving them supposedly fair trials, they deserve one without a liar like "Alex Caine" involved in their case and testifying against them.

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      #3
      This guy grew up in and around my old home town (Ottawa Canada) so i have thought about contacting him with some questions. At the very the least the criminal trials he claimed to have been involved in should be easy to verify.

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        #4
        If you get his real name, and hopefully a date of birth we can run him through a military records search.

        Rabbit, who holds the copyright to his books? Is it the publisher or is there a psuedonym?

        Sam

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          #5
          There is another way to get his real name.

          What is the CISC? Is that a Canadian law enforcement agency?

          If he identifies the names of anyone he testified against, the court cases will have a defense attorney, if the case can be looked up, and the name of the defense attorney, then they can be asked who this guy really is.

          Sam

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            #6
            Originally posted by Sam Browning View Post
            There is another way to get his real name.

            What is the CISC? Is that a Canadian law enforcement agency?

            If he identifies the names of anyone he testified against, the court cases will have a defense attorney, if the case can be looked up, and the name of the defense attorney, then they can be asked who this guy really is.

            Sam
            http://www.cisc.gc.ca/index-eng.htm

            I think they are a special branch of the RCMP.

            CISC Central Bureau: CISC Central Bureau is responsible for the delivery of criminal intelligence products and services to the national law enforcement community and other stakeholders responsible for public safety. It also oversees the maintenance of a criminal intelligence databank on organized crime used by the CISC membership across Canada. CISC Central Bureau is part of National Police Services, which consists of a number of different and specialized programs and services stewarded by the RCMP.

            Provincial Bureaus: The ten provincial bureaus operate independently while maintaining national service delivery standards. They focus on activities within their respective provinces and guide the collection, analysis and production of criminal intelligence products and services at the provincial level. The intelligence collected and analyzed through the provincial bureaus is instrumental in the creation of the national intelligence products and services delivered by CISC Central Bureau.

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              #7
              Here there is a picture of Alex making friends with Sonny Barger who used to run the Oakland Chapter of the Hells Angels.

              https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/200...ver_biker.html

              Sonny's twitter and facebook can be found at:


              http://sonnybarger.com/


              I'm not on Twitter or Facebook, but Sonny hates rats, and someone could show him the picture and ask him what he knows about "Alex". I would bet money he only met him once and the photo was taken.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sam Browning View Post
                Here there is a picture of Alex making friends with Sonny Barger who used to run the Oakland Chapter of the Hells Angels.

                https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/200...ver_biker.html

                Sonny's twitter and facebook can be found at:


                http://sonnybarger.com/


                I'm not on Twitter or Facebook, but Sonny hates rats, and someone could show him the picture and ask him what he knows about "Alex". I would bet money he only met him once and the photo was taken.
                As i recall Sam in the book there's also a picture of him with the national president of the Bandidos MC so he does seem to get around. I can't imagine the publisher would not undertake some due diligence to verify the stories he tells. Unfortunately it's hard to know when people like this are truthful or not.

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                  #9
                  https://books.google.com/books?id=V7...20name&f=false
                  Falling for Judo since 1980

                  "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                  "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                  "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by andrewa View Post
                    As i recall Sam in the book there's also a picture of him with the national president of the Bandidos MC so he does seem to get around. I can't imagine the publisher would not undertake some due diligence to verify the stories he tells. Unfortunately it's hard to know when people like this are truthful or not.
                    Are you kidding? Have you seen some of the books being published, especially by martial arts/secret men BS artists?

                    The Frank Dux/Radford Davis (AKA Ashida Kim) vibe is so strong here.

                    Due diligence is for cowboy regulators and law enforcement. Publishers are interested in cash money for salacious material and this stuff is it, right down to the Chinese Martial Arts BS which is where I first found this. Now I might have to get the book to read the Choy Li Fut parts.

                    There are even comments out there that all the claims that he is a fraud is actually a cyber op by biker club members. This could get interesting, to say the least.
                    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 3/26/2019 6:47pm, .

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                      #11
                      Compartmentalization strikes again. Books about books...but nary a fact to be found in this case. I thought the mention was funny because it concluded a small number of people would be interested in these books...basically "Sons of Anarchy" watchers.

                      I'm still digging through the Wikipedia history to find out who added the citation. That person could be someone in the CLF world who thinks they found a "oh cool, biker ninjas use CLF" gem or maybe just someone promoting "Alex Caine" books.

                      It remains however that Alex Caine himself has no encyclopedic entry, leading me to believe it's all BS. Every bit.

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                        #12
                        Publisher: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/im...vintage-canada

                        The picture with Sonny Barger is what sold me to make the thread. That's such a red flag.

                        How many times have we seen this photo op thing with bullshidoka.

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                          #13
                          Yeah, I used public sources, could not find anything.

                          He is Canadian, maybe? Makes it harder.
                          Falling for Judo since 1980

                          "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                          "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                          "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                            Compartmentalization strikes again. Books about books...but nary a fact to be found in this case. I thought the mention was funny because it concluded a small number of people would be interested in these books...basically "Sons of Anarchy" watchers.

                            I'm still digging through the Wikipedia history to find out who added the citation. That person could be someone in the CLF world who thinks they found a "oh cool, biker ninjas use CLF" gem or maybe just someone promoting "Alex Caine" books.

                            It remains however that Alex Caine himself has no encyclopedic entry, leading me to believe it's all BS. Every bit.
                            Very suspicious, for sure.
                            Falling for Judo since 1980

                            "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                            "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                            "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                              #15
                              When Dux wrote his memoirs in the 1990s, it appears that the only legal review that was performed was "did he name anyone who is alive and can sue us" not whether the book was actually accurate. Even then Dux screwed up by saying General Singlaub ran the Phoenix Program in Vietnam. (He actually ran SOG) Singlaub then threatened to sue Dux, for claiming he ran this assassination program, and Dux's publisher dropped him like a hot potato.

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