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Functionally Illiterate
- Jun 2005
- 18279 Location: Sinsinnatti Oh Hi Ho
Style: all things in Moderation
Originally posted by WFMurphyPhD View PostI know Sambo guys, and Judo guys for that matter, and wrestlers, that do western gymnastics.
Notice I didn't say the video showed techs that wouldn't work ... I just feel most gymnastic floor techniques are designed to be used on mats.
In other words it doesn't look like best practices for a badass street and WAR! art like Systema.
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Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View PostI was a gymnast for a number of years. Never got "really good" but spent almost a decade tumbling and doing the parallel bars, rings, and trampoline... it can give you some surprising insight in situations outside of its intended scope.
Notice I didn't say the video showed techs that wouldn't work ... I just feel most gymnastic floor techniques are designed to be used on mats.
In other words it doesn't look like best practices for a badass street and WAR! art like Systema.
I am just telling you that some grapplers do Circus warm up routines. Some even stretch.
Not me.
But I am am middle aged, salty, and am more prone to drink cheap beer and/or drink whiskey, carry iron, and tell people to get off my yard.
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Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View PostI was a gymnast for a number of years. Never got "really good" but spent almost a decade tumbling and doing the parallel bars, rings, and trampoline... it can give you some surprising insight in situations outside of its intended scope.
Notice I didn't say the video showed techs that wouldn't work ... I just feel most gymnastic floor techniques are designed to be used on mats.
In other words it doesn't look like best practices for a badass street and WAR! art like Systema.
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Originally posted by WFMurphyPhD View PostAnybody have short rolodex to him?
I would like him to hit me, and I would gladly either train or roll with him, as he chooses, and report back.
We seem to circle on this person, but until he lays hands on one of us, it is so much @#$%^/.
For more on the "Wrestler" there see this article that probably should be here:
https://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.word...s-association/
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Originally posted by halfcut View PostWe do almost the same falling and rolling methods in Sambo, a lot of it is from gymnastics. It can make the pure Judo guys nervous when they drop in for a class
They are not typical of judo breakfalls.
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Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View PostI was a gymnast for a number of years. Never got "really good" but spent almost a decade tumbling and doing the parallel bars, rings, and trampoline... it can give you some surprising insight in situations outside of its intended scope.
Notice I didn't say the video showed techs that wouldn't work ... I just feel most gymnastic floor techniques are designed to be used on mats.
In other words it doesn't look like best practices for a badass street and WAR! art like Systema.
People do not realize how long it takes to develop all the underlying physical literacy to truly excel at multifaceted athletics like grappling.
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Originally posted by WFMurphyPhD View PostOK.
I am just telling you that some grapplers do Circus warm up routines. Some even stretch.
Not me.
But I am am middle aged, salty, and am more prone to drink cheap beer and/or drink whiskey, carry iron, and tell people to get off my yard.
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Functionally Illiterate
- Jun 2005
- 18279 Location: Sinsinnatti Oh Hi Ho
Style: all things in Moderation
Originally posted by BKR View PostLooked like very basic, physical literacy stuff. Kids do similar in a good judo class. Adults struggle with it.
People do not realize how long it takes to develop all the underlying physical literacy to truly excel at multifaceted athletics like grappling.
Originally posted by BKRIt is a part of ukemi, more useful in groundwork, IMO.
Judo ukemi has different aspects, hard,flat falling, rolling...
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Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View PostI did not like the details of their tumbling, no problem with the tumbling itself.
I am well aware and the bolded idea holds up until you watch most Systema guys roll (randori roll, not tumbling roll) with each other.
I used to be able to do basic tumbling. One gymnastics class in college.
Which is why I told my students to get professional help with it.
Nobody listened, tho.
The "good" videos Michael posted were typical for kids judo at a certain age/level in the West.
I learned a lot of stuff from a pro acrobat in New Orleans, who took some judo from me.
As in warmups. Same from an Italian judo friend, same place. Euro is or was diff from trad USA or Japanese.
Circus warmups, Bill wrote...
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Originally posted by BKR View PostJust doing shoulder rolls does not good grappling make.
I used to be able to do basic tumbling. One gymnastics class in college.
Which is why I told my students to get professional help with it.
Nobody listened, tho.
The "good" videos Michael posted were typical for kids judo at a certain age/level in the West.
I learned a lot of stuff from a pro acrobat in New Orleans, who took some judo from me.
As in warmups. Same from an Italian judo friend, same place. Euro is or was diff from trad USA or Japanese.
Circus warmups, Bill wrote...
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Originally posted by ghost55 View PostI should take a day for Capoeira I think. I still can't cartwheel for shit. I'm one uncoordinated motherfucker.
Try to get professional help with your gymnastics.
Yeah I know money but you're going to have to pay for that Brazilian breakdancing.
So remember what I wrote while back about trying to get strong and s*** when your uncoordinated and inflexible and not agile?
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Originally posted by BKR View PostLooked like very basic, physical literacy stuff. Kids do similar in a good judo class. Adults struggle with it.
People do not realize how long it takes to develop all the underlying physical literacy to truly excel at multifaceted athletics like grappling.
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