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    #91
    Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
    There are 4 ninjas. GN and JKN are just the two stand outs. The other two are pretty chill, until they do some crazy they get no mention here. There are a total of 35 people in the class. 10 KM guys, 8 Jiu Jitsu(Japanese) practioners, 6 Kyokushin practitioners, 5 Aikidokas, 4 Ninjas, 1 Kung Fu guy, 1 BJJ guy(me).

    Kinda wish there was at least one more BJJ player so that I wouldn't be the only one without a black belt come the practical bit.
    I see kyokushin is popular there.

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      #92
      Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
      I see kyokushin is popular there.
      Yes it is. It is supposed to be 8 Kyokushin and 6 JJJ... I was too tired when I was typing that.

      It helps that the chief instructor of the course is a Kyokushin guy. Like trained under Mas Oyama in Japan Kyokushin guy. I don't know much about it, but with that many people I'll get a fair few lessons in it.

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        #93
        Not much to report today. GN is still flirting, the young lady seems more receptive, I have theories there but I'll let them ride for now.

        JKN will no longer talk to GN for some reason. During the discussion of necessary traits for an instructor when we came to classroom control, he said something typically crazy. Essentially that the students should do exactly what the instructor says, when he says without questioning anything. The guy is such a cliche that he is getting boring.

        When discussing belt ranks the lone Wing Chun guy finally said something, and started arguing that belt ranks are just really arbitrary and invented in the last 100+ years so aren't really representative of skill or teaching ability. As the only guy there without a black belt I couldn't really disagree with his argument, which put me in an existential crisis of agreeing with a Chunner.

        At another point the Aikido guys didn't seem to grasp that an "expert" in your chosen style ought to be able to watch people from the same style with no ranking markers and thus rank them generally according to their skill levels. That 4 of the 5 Aimidokas couldn't grasp how that was possible, in my opinion, speaks loudly about how garbage Aikido really is.

        We got a long lecture from the instructor about how important belt tests are and students needing to know exactly what techniques they have to learn to pass their tests(not even going to get into that).

        The final yawn was when the head instructor told us the importance of lineage and being able to trace it back as far as possible as that somehow gives us credibility. I made a few statements regarding how that it is a bit overrated as no one there, outside the JJJ guys are teaching anything over 100years old. To which I was treated to a treatise on how most of us can trace our arts back hundreds if not a thousand or more years. So apparently knowing only that Carlos and Hello learned from Maeda is not enough. I should know who Maeda learned from ect.... I tried to keep a straight face through that. Apparently I should try to trace my wrestling lineage back to the ancient Greeks too. I guess even a GBA can still have silly ideas.

        Next week we start the practical... I gotta figure out what to teach a bunch of KM and Karate guys with no grappling background, that also won't shred their flimsy gis.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
          Not much to report today. GN is still flirting, the young lady seems more receptive, I have theories there but I'll let them ride for now.

          JKN will no longer talk to GN for some reason. During the discussion of necessary traits for an instructor when we came to classroom control, he said something typically crazy. Essentially that the students should do exactly what the instructor says, when he says without questioning anything. The guy is such a cliche that he is getting boring.

          When discussing belt ranks the lone Wing Chun guy finally said something, and started arguing that belt ranks are just really arbitrary and invented in the last 100+ years so aren't really representative of skill or teaching ability. As the only guy there without a black belt I couldn't really disagree with his argument, which put me in an existential crisis of agreeing with a Chunner.

          At another point the Aikido guys didn't seem to grasp that an "expert" in your chosen style ought to be able to watch people from the same style with no ranking markers and thus rank them generally according to their skill levels. That 4 of the 5 Aimidokas couldn't grasp how that was possible, in my opinion, speaks loudly about how garbage Aikido really is.

          We got a long lecture from the instructor about how important belt tests are and students needing to know exactly what techniques they have to learn to pass their tests(not even going to get into that).

          The final yawn was when the head instructor told us the importance of lineage and being able to trace it back as far as possible as that somehow gives us credibility. I made a few statements regarding how that it is a bit overrated as no one there, outside the JJJ guys are teaching anything over 100years old. To which I was treated to a treatise on how most of us can trace our arts back hundreds if not a thousand or more years. So apparently knowing only that Carlos and Hello learned from Maeda is not enough. I should know who Maeda learned from ect.... I tried to keep a straight face through that. Apparently I should try to trace my wrestling lineage back to the ancient Greeks too. I guess even a GBA can still have silly ideas.

          Next week we start the practical... I gotta figure out what to teach a bunch of KM and Karate guys with no grappling background, that also won't shred their flimsy gis.
          This is my favorite current thread. Patiently waiting for rape details.

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            #95
            Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
            This is my favorite current thread. Patiently waiting for rape details.
            Yeah, I'm actually drawing a blank as to what to teach next week. I'm torn between a head and arm throw or a basic trap and roll. Funny thing is that at my club the coach can tell me I'm teaching and I'll just jump right in, here though I have no clue what to do.

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              #96
              Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
              Yeah, I'm actually drawing a blank as to what to teach next week. I'm torn between a head and arm throw or a basic trap and roll. Funny thing is that at my club the coach can tell me I'm teaching and I'll just jump right in, here though I have no clue what to do.
              Some old school BJJ self defense moves...

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                #97
                Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                At another point the Aikido guys didn't seem to grasp that an "expert" in your chosen style ought to be able to watch people from the same style with no ranking markers and thus rank them generally according to their skill levels. That 4 of the 5 Aimidokas couldn't grasp how that was possible, in my opinion, speaks loudly about how garbage Aikido really is.
                That would be exactly what we do in kendo gradings. A panel of expert judges, most of whom don't know the people in front of them, decide whether or not the people pass a rank based on two 1-2 minute matches.

                Also I can generally tell you what dan somebody I'm playing is within a minute or so. If I'm wrong, I'm off by no more than 1 dan.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by DCS View Post
                  Some old school BJJ self defense moves...

                  Yeah I thought of that. Some basic enter a clinch from a punch attempt, or something else from the Gracie Combatives catalog. There are 35 people, and already the Aikido people were complaining that 6 straight hours of training is too much and we are going to need way more than the two twenty minute breaks we already get. So with that many many people and that little time, I figure I'll have five minutes at the most to teach something. I've never seen anything grappling properly taught in five minutes. My current plan is to go in with options.

                  Though the Steve Maxwell bit about working against a larger stronger opponent reminds me of a bit of funny crazy that happened in class today.

                  So GBA makes the statement that martial art should allow you to defeat a larger stronger(untrained obviously) opponent.

                  One of the Aikido guys, who I'll now be referring to as Non-Believer Akidoka(NBA) says: "That's not true. A larger stronger person will always win."

                  GBA says, "Then what is the point of what you are teaching."

                  NBA responds: "The person's size and weight will give them an advantage that will ultimately allow them to overcome the smaller weaker person."

                  GBA: "If they were equal yes, but if a person has spent years learning a martial art, then their repertoire of techniques coupled with the knowledge of strategy and tactics that they should have picked up ought to give them an advantage that will enable them to overcome."

                  NBA is still having none of it, and they go back and forth for a few more minutes. Me, I'm sitting there thinking that finally there is an Aikidoka with an accurate assessment of what his art can and can't do.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                    That would be exactly what we do in kendo gradings. A panel of expert judges, most of whom don't know the people in front of them, decide whether or not the people pass a rank based on two 1-2 minute matches.

                    Also I can generally tell you what dan somebody I'm playing is within a minute or so. If I'm wrong, I'm off by no more than 1 dan.
                    Yeah as GBA went on with his explanation he wasn't even talking about Dan ranks, he was talking about people with more widely divergent skills. Like people separated by several belt ranks. I can do that now with BJJ, and I'm only a two stripe blue belt.

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                      Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                      Yeah I thought of that. Some basic enter a clinch from a punch attempt, or something else from the Gracie Combatives catalog. There are 35 people, and already the Aikido people were complaining that 6 straight hours of training is too much and we are going to need way more than the two twenty minute breaks we already get. So with that many many people and that little time, I figure I'll have five minutes at the most to teach something. I've never seen anything grappling properly taught in five minutes. My current plan is to go in with options.

                      Though the Steve Maxwell bit about working against a larger stronger opponent reminds me of a bit of funny crazy that happened in class today.

                      So GBA makes the statement that martial art should allow you to defeat a larger stronger(untrained obviously) opponent.

                      One of the Aikido guys, who I'll now be referring to as Non-Believer Akidoka(NBA) says: "That's not true. A larger stronger person will always win."

                      GBA says, "Then what is the point of what you are teaching."

                      NBA responds: "The person's size and weight will give them an advantage that will ultimately allow them to overcome the smaller weaker person."

                      GBA: "If they were equal yes, but if a person has spent years learning a martial art, then their repertoire of techniques coupled with the knowledge of strategy and tactics that they should have picked up ought to give them an advantage that will enable them to overcome."

                      NBA is still having none of it, and they go back and forth for a few more minutes. Me, I'm sitting there thinking that finally there is an Aikidoka with an accurate assessment of what his art can and can't do.

                      Steve Maxwell is a pimp. I used to LOVE his self defense classes. It was a shame more students didn't actually enjoy it. Those with practical purposes did (law enforcement, etc) but most people wanted to work on their guard passes and sweeps and whatever.

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                        Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                        Yeah, I'm actually drawing a blank as to what to teach next week. I'm torn between a head and arm throw or a basic trap and roll. Funny thing is that at my club the coach can tell me I'm teaching and I'll just jump right in, here though I have no clue what to do.
                        Choke please. From anything. With a timer running would add to the awesomeness.

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                          Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                          Steve Maxwell is a pimp. I used to LOVE his self defense classes. It was a shame more students didn't actually enjoy it. Those with practical purposes did (law enforcement, etc) but most people wanted to work on their guard passes and sweeps and whatever.
                          There are a couple of things that kill combatives classes.

                          1) Boredom. The basic self defense against an untrained opponent gets old after a while. Not that it isn't good to learn, but most people only have so much patience for constant review of the same basics. Combat Sambo guys figured this out back in the 90's.
                          2) Liveleaks. A lot of self defense training relies on archaic and theoretical weapons defenses. People look on live leaks, see that stuff doesn't work then think the entire system is BS. As far as the unarmed stuff, people started realizing that no self defense program was going to make them Jason Bourne.
                          3) Closely related to live leaks is the development of modern training modalities such as shock knives and simunitions that help people experience first hand the ineffectiveness of their weapons defense without having to experience the dying part.
                          4) The rise of MMA: It helped people realize that to be truly proficient at fighting they need to be a fairly well rounded martial artist.

                          All of that together means yeah, people want to start working on guard passes and things sweeps and things, because once they got the combatives down, that is the logical next step in the system.

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                            Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
                            Choke please. From anything. With a timer running would add to the awesomeness.
                            Actually 5 minutes may be just enough time to teach a proper RNC. Just the choking part.

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                              Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                              Yeah, I'm actually drawing a blank as to what to teach next week. I'm torn between a head and arm throw or a basic trap and roll. Funny thing is that at my club the coach can tell me I'm teaching and I'll just jump right in, here though I have no clue what to do.
                              Silly blue belt....... ;-)

                              Teach the RNC.




                              And when youre choking the dude that said' "Jiu-Jitsu doesn't work." Whisper in his ear, "This is what death feels like."

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                                Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                                Actually 5 minutes may be just enough time to teach a proper RNC. Just the choking part.
                                When you apply the choke. Pop! Your arms closed.
                                It speeds up the process quite a bit.

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