Cardio beats a RNC

[BKR]

I have seen guys that are just plain hard to choke. Got nothing to do with cardio, more neck structure/musculature.

Frankly, lots of judoka truly suck at shime waza, relative to BJJ guys (say, purple belt and up).

[Raycetpfl]

We've timed it between 4-7 (we make the recipient raise their hand and when it drops we let go)

Did you begin with the slow even squeeze or did you pop into your squeeze? I have dropped a few people in combative situations in 3 Mississippi's. I have noticed if you snap into the squeeze where it's almost impact like it shaves the time down pretty good.

[BKR]

What's the outside on a properly sunk choke, about 10 seconds before lights out?

10 would be a long time IME. Maybe a guy with a neck like Thanos...

[NeilG]

I have seen guys that are just plain hard to choke. Got nothing to do with cardio, more neck structure/musculature.

[DCS]

We've timed it between 4-7 (we make the recipient raise their hand and when it drops we let go)

Same here with similar results: between 4-7 seconds.

[Omega Supreme]

Pretty much. I've seen it happen in under 7.

We've timed it between 4-7 (we make the recipient raise their hand and when it drops we let go)

[Omega Supreme]

So I'm doing the Wingate Combat Sport Instructor's course. My coach told me ahead of time that I would hear a lot of odd stuff and to just keep my mouth shut and learn what I need for the test and move on. For a little more explanation, there are certain topics and things that government insists that we learn, but the course instructors are free to editorialize in the midst of all of that. Also we are not permitted to record the lectures, so, sorry, even for those of you who understand spoken Hebrew, you are going to have to take my word for it.

So this week we are learning physiology of the cardio-respiratory system and how to improve it. In the midst of this the instructor goes off on one of his bat shit crazy rambles and says:



Now at this point, I was sure that there is no possible way that I either heard him right or understood him right, so since he studied in the US for his degree I ask him to repeat himself in English. He does, and yes that was exactly what he had said. So I raise my hand a second time, and ask if he has sufficient cardio to hold up for 2min under a full RNC? His response:



So, with the danger of possibly looking like a pest, I raise my hand a third time. With an exassperated sigh he asks me what I want now. I ask him if he would be willing to demonstrate this magic ability to withstand a properly placed RNC for 2 minutes. I set a timer and told him I will let go no matter what when it goes off.

I answer in the affirmative.

I shrug. He spends next 30 seconds in awkward silence staring at his watch.

His one more quick point went on for another 45min. Then on break I had a bunch of the KM guys coming up to me saying, "So you do BJJ? You know that stuff doesn't work right?"
Six more weeks until we get to the practical part. Then we'll see what does and doesn't work.

I got a bruise on the bottom of my jaw. It hit the ground that hard.

[Raycetpfl]

What's the outside on a properly sunk choke, about 10 seconds before lights out?

3 on a newb ..... 5 on a seasoned fighter.

I will bet big somes of cash on 5 seconds.

[ghost55]

What's the outside on a properly sunk choke, about 10 seconds before lights out?

Pretty much. I've seen it happen in under 7.

[ghost55]

Sounds like your gambling with a limited resource. :-p
I like punching on the ground from place they cant hit me back.

I prefer to think of it as being impossible to divide by zero. And I can hit people a lot harder when I'm on my feet.

[NeilG]

What's the outside on a properly sunk choke, about 10 seconds before lights out?

[Raycetpfl]

As we've established, I'm already retarded.

Sounds like your gambling with a limited resource. :-p
I like punching on the ground from place they cant hit me back.

[ghost55]

Careful with your noodle. Those punches add up.

As we've established, I'm already retarded.

[Raycetpfl]

Grappling is harder work than striking. I like to stand and bang because I'm a lazy motherfucker.

Careful with your noodle. Those punches add up.

[Falenay]

Well, speaking of bad RNCs against highly conditioned persons, he is not completely wrong...

In other words: He is probably speaking of other things when mentioning "RNC" because he has no idea of how a good and effective technique works. Looking the same (to the untrained eye), feeling different. Everyone actually rolling knows that phenomenon.