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    Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
    Yes i've done both... I played hockey, soccer and football all at competitive levels and was involved in TKD for three years... sports were more relaxed atmosphere and TKD was more formal... Muay thai training is Thailand is actually a lot more laid back and fun compared to classes here in North America. BJJ class is actually a nice mix between the two.
    If you say the original post, you would know TKD falls into a middle ground, so I'll leave that one aside.

    Right, you played hockey, you played soccer and you played football.

    Find me anyone in those sports that is still playing after they are above 50. Show me anyone who takes them up at 40. Now look up the number of BJJ Coral belts listed by the IBJJF(all of whom are over 50). That should give you a pretty good understanding of the difference between sport and martial art. I can show you people that take up martial arts, even effective ones like BJJ in their 80's.

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      Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
      If you say the original post, you would know TKD falls into a middle ground, so I'll leave that one aside.

      Right, you played hockey, you played soccer and you played football.

      Find me anyone in those sports that is still playing after they are above 50. Show me anyone who takes them up at 40. Now look up the number of BJJ Coral belts listed by the IBJJF(all of whom are over 50). That should give you a pretty good understanding of the difference between sport and martial art. I can show you people that take up martial arts, even effective ones like BJJ in their 80's.
      There are people here where i live who do take up sports later in life... i know more than a few.. who join rec teams. And they do get better with more practise. Heck i even took up volleyball 2 winters ago... i had no idea what to do when i started.. now i'm getting a better grasp.

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        Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
        1) Draw the family tree of your school, from you and above, your teachers, teacher's teachers and so on
        1. Scant historical references to disparate groups of military infiltrators and guerilla combatants.
        2. Japanese stagehands that wore all black, and were presumed by audiences to represent unseeable forces.
        3. Hundreds of years pass.
        4. Some Japanese huckster.
        5.Some Western huckster.

        --an honest ninja

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          Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
          There are people here where i live who do take up sports later in life... i know more than a few.. who join rec teams. And they do get better with more practise. Heck i even took up volleyball 2 winters ago... i had no idea what to do when i started.. now i'm getting a better grasp.
          Go try to join FC London and tell me how that goes. Whereas I having a standing invite from Andre Galvao to come train at Atos HQ in San Diego. For that matter anyone who wants to train there can.

          In sport you can't decide you want to try with the world champion team and the do it. In martial art you can.

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            Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
            Go try to join FC London and tell me how that goes. Whereas I having a standing invite from Andre Galvao to come train at Atos HQ in San Diego. For that matter anyone who wants to train there can.

            In sport you can't decide you want to try with the world champion team and the do it. In martial art you can.
            Yes, but i believe that is more of a cultural issue more than anything else... i mean FC London is under 23 so im much too old for that... but i could go to the Maple Leafs Open Combine... and not make the team of Try out for one our CFL teams...

            Congratulations on your open invite.. why haven't you taken him up on it?

            I believe what your getting at is also a matter of skill and drive.. if you have those there is no reason at age 35 who couldn't get a contract in the MLB... not all people have the drive or skill to be champion... i currently train at a gym with competitive people... people with UFC fight records... i could also get tennis lessons from a former pro too... these competitions based on individual just have a different dynamic and culture.
            Last edited by lant3rn; 6/17/2018 1:14pm, .

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              Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
              Yes, but i believe that is more of a cultural issue more than anything else... i mean FC London is under 23 so im much too old for that... but i could go to the Maple Leafs Open Combine... and not make the team of Try out for one our CFL teams...

              Congratulations on your open invite.. why haven't you taken him up on it?
              So you are saying you can't go play with Canadian National Team just because you want to? That you actually have to try out for those and only get to join if you make the cut?

              Yet you don't see how that is different from martial are where can litterally just walk in and join the world championship club tomorrow?


              Haven't had a chance to travel to the US and spend all day training BJJ.

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                Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                So you are saying you can't go play with Canadian National Team just because you want to? That you actually have to try out for those and only get to join if you make the cut?

                Yet you don't see how that is different from martial are where can litterally just walk in and join the world championship club tomorrow?


                Haven't had a chance to travel to the US and spend all day training BJJ.
                I could join a Tennis club that does, or a fencing team as well... there is a different culture for sports or competitions that involve teams vs individuals...

                Regardless if you want to call it a Martial Art or a Sport the difference is superficial they both involve honing athletic feats to an art form.. just usually martial arts revolve more around violence.

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                  Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
                  Sports are fun... there is no fun aloud in martial arts... it's very serious. all the time... you over there stop smiling.

                  I don't get the difference between general fitness and fitness... what does the word general change about fitness?
                  General fitness versus sport-specific Fitness I would imagine something got lost in translation.

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                    Michael- how long has it been since you've been stateside- in particular the tri state area?

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                      Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                      Michael- how long has it been since you've been stateside- in particular the tri state area?
                      Tri-State area, six or seven years. Even that was just a weekend type thing. Took the kids to some of the old museums and stuff that I loved when I was their age.

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                        Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                        In sport you can't decide you want to try with the world champion team and the do it. In martial art you can.
                        I have no idea what you are smoking. Try going to Keishicho (Tokyo metropolitan police) and getting into the top-tier judo or kendo practice there. Let me know how you get on.

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                          Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                          I have no idea what you are smoking. Try going to Keishicho (Tokyo metropolitan police) and getting into the top-tier judo or kendo practice there. Let me know how you get on.
                          Nothing currently.

                          That would be the cross over Martial Arts that we had talked about. Some can in the more sportive clubs lean closer to "sport" than "martial art". My guess is when someone there is no longer competitive that they are also invited to move on. However, in BJJ at least, which is all I have to worry about for my test, anyone can go and train at Alliance Sao Paulo, or ATOS San Diego, and if you really want to try and hang with the competition guys there, you are more than welcome to try. If you keep coming back eventually you might even win a few competitions.

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                            Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                            Nothing currently.

                            That would be the cross over Martial Arts that we had talked about. Some can in the more sportive clubs lean closer to "sport" than "martial art". My guess is when someone there is no longer competitive that they are also invited to move on. However, in BJJ at least, which is all I have to worry about for my test, anyone can go and train at Alliance Sao Paulo, or ATOS San Diego, and if you really want to try and hang with the competition guys there, you are more than welcome to try. If you keep coming back eventually you might even win a few competitions.
                            You are taking your experience with BJJ and trying to apply it across all martial arts and it just doesn't cut it. Take fencing, which is about as much on the sport side as it is possible to get with martial arts: guys that are on national teams come from local salles and you can practice with them. Salle Seguin here in town has produced a couple of national team members. Getting in on the actual national team practices is another matter entirely. Same with kendo: my friend Kyle Lee is the Canadian team captain and practices regularly at Chinook Kendo Club in Calgary. I can go practice with him any time in Calgary and he comes here every year for our seminar, but I'm not getting in on the national team practices unless I'm a member, prospect or coach.

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                              Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                              You are taking your experience with BJJ and trying to apply it across all martial arts and it just doesn't cut it. Take fencing, which is about as much on the sport side as it is possible to get with martial arts: guys that are on national teams come from local salles and you can practice with them. Salle Seguin here in town has produced a couple of national team members. Getting in on the actual national team practices is another matter entirely. Same with kendo: my friend Kyle Lee is the Canadian team captain and practices regularly at Chinook Kendo Club in Calgary. I can go practice with him any time in Calgary and he comes here every year for our seminar, but I'm not getting in on the national team practices unless I'm a member, prospect or coach.
                              Perhaps, then, the delineation should be "national/official/olympic/professional" vs "commercial?"

                              Similar: USGA US Open was this weekend. While it's "open," you still have to qualify (or have an exemption (i.e. be a pro)).
                              Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                                Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                                You are taking your experience with BJJ and trying to apply it across all martial arts and it just doesn't cut it. Take fencing, which is about as much on the sport side as it is possible to get with martial arts: guys that are on national teams come from local salles and you can practice with them. Salle Seguin here in town has produced a couple of national team members. Getting in on the actual national team practices is another matter entirely. Same with kendo: my friend Kyle Lee is the Canadian team captain and practices regularly at Chinook Kendo Club in Calgary. I can go practice with him any time in Calgary and he comes here every year for our seminar, but I'm not getting in on the national team practices unless I'm a member, prospect or coach.
                                Here is the email of the minister of culture and sport. [email protected], his name is Shlomo Saba. Feel free to write to him and tell him how wrong he is about the delineation between Sport and Martial Art. Personally I'm over arguing it.

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