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    Originally posted by ermghoti View Post
    Given the parameters of the exercise, the submission thing is kind of right, although the literal first things you're showing a BJJ class are probably bridging, shrimping, and maybe seated rearward breakfalls or something, which would be quite dull. The other points are pretty stupid, IMO.
    Well when I gotta go again, I'll have a few more things planned out. If he goes with De La Riva again(which he might given the way he runs his course) I'll teach a basic guard pass. if he hasn't called stop by the time that is over, I'll then teach how to shut down a basic guard pass with an open guard sweep(except half the people aren't in gis of any sort so De La Riva is still impossible to teach), hopefully by this point he'll have called a stop, otherwise I'll transition into how to stop said basic sweep. Then De La Riva to shut that down... Which brings me back to the point that De La Riva isn't meant for beginners in any fashion.

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      All in all, it doesn't sound like you're in the best of companies.

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        I'm not sure what's up with GB.

        On the one hand he seems like a competent at safe instructor on the other hand he seems to lack basic knowledge of ground grappling even though I believe you said he's a judo black belt?

        I can see his point about the RNC I normally wouldn't teach that in a beginners adult Judo class.

        I totally agree on the DLR.

        I think what's happening is rather than teaching a general coaching course on how to do things safely in the proper order cues Etc he is letting his own coaching philosophy dominate what he's doing.

        As it's a general coaching course that's a flaw in his part perhaps.

        Regardless of the appropriateness of the technique he should be looking at how you taught it your progression safety and all of that.

        You could be a sarcastic bastard and teach Kesa Gatame next time and the leg entanglement Escape that oughta be safe enough for him. Or Mount and mount Escape.

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          Ok some other nuggets. So I explained that there are 36 basic techniques that form the core of BJJ/GJJ that you use form white belt to black belt. An Aikido guy says:
          I thought BJJ was complicated, but if there are only 36 basic techniques that isn't complicated
          So I inform him that getting those down typically brings you to blue belt and that takes the average person 1.5-2yrs. He stares at me in amazement.

          Another KM guy, complained that I had them working the same technique too long:
          You should show your student a technique, have them do it two maybe three times at most, and then move on to something new.
          GBA defended me on that one, but I'm gonna go with the idea of that is part of the reason why KM sucks. No one in the room was doing an RNC correct, I had to correct them all, which in itself takes time, two or three repetitions is hardly going to build any sort of muscle memory, or even basic memory.

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            Brazilian anything. Rigid. Uh, no.

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              Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
              He wasn't just against the choke, he was against all submissions, which, taken away doesn't leave a lot of easily teachable things in BJJ/GJJ.

              In Relson and Rorion break down of GJJ combatives the syllabus typically goes:
              1) Trap and Roll escape from mount
              2) Americana Armlock
              3) Positional control mount
              4) Back take
              5) Rear Naked Choke.

              I come from a Carlson Gracie lineage and we typically teach them like this:
              1) RNC
              2) Americana
              3) Mount
              4) Back take from mount
              5) Trap and Roll escape

              Any escape you are going to do from mount, side control, or god forbid back mount, requires a fair few basic concepts of movement(bridges, hip escapes ect). Sure I know a fair few ways to get out of a De La Riva, but like I said we don't start teaching that until Blue Belt, so that is assuming that a person already has a really firm foundation in BJJ before getting to it. Now after watching some of the people he liked, I figured out that he didn't really care if we even got to what he wanted us to teach, as long as we were teaching at least the building blocks for what he wanted.

              I probably wouldn't have gotten dinged as much, if I decided to teach a basic guard escape or mount escape, at least then when asked when I didn't teach De La Riva and it's escape, I could say that it(De La Riva) is silly advanced, so I taught something similar that was more basic.

              GBA also really wants us to have a very rigid syllabus and order in which everything is taught, which would work if you do belt tests every month and make new people just come and watch until you are ready to start to recycle the basic white belt curriculum. That just seems like an overly silly expectation for most clubs, or a fast road to burn out for an instructor.
              I think the whole rigid syllabus thing is his karate background.

              Karate like Judo in Japan was taught to kids mostly in an educational that is PE environment.

              Huge classes kids without any experience or basic athletic ability, + + + type of culture wear fitting in and not standing out is the norm. In that kind of environment you can't hope for a lot of skill development quickly.

              A lot of traditional Judo training methods I think have their root in that sort of system.

              Jiu Jitsu on the other hand is much more personalized and westernized and its approach which makes sense because Brazilians came up with it.

              It sounds like you'll pass the course with no problem.

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                Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                OMFG JKN just came in in his ninja get up. It is a black Judo gi, that has been washed in bleach water to brown it out in places. It also has karate style ties seen in. He has with him a small arsenal of weapons.
                Weapons now that's some beginner stuff right there.

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                  How to teach Gracie Jiu-Jitsu day 1 by Rayce.

                  Warm up: standing up in base and breakfalls.

                  Some Standing self defense should be covered.



                  Choose some stuff frome the e above video.Dont throw new studends. let them throw.

                  Grip breaks and and standing subs would be a good idea.

                  For ground technique teach the mount escapes and show how you cant be punched in the face really in mount but you can be punched while mounted by someone. This sends the message of the importance of the escape home.

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                    Originally posted by Tranquil Suit View Post
                    All in all, it doesn't sound like you're in the best of companies.
                    There are some good and competent people there. Not everyone got to teach, and the smarter competent people mostly held back to see what GBA really wanted. Looking back on it, I kinda wish I had done the same. After a few competent Kyokushin people went(after me), I figured out what he wanted. Especially as, I was a training partner for a lot of it with the only one he didn't criticize, so I asked her what she was assigned, and saw how she structured it, and figured out from that exactly what he was looking for.

                    Originally posted by BKR View Post
                    I'm not sure what's up with GB.

                    On the one hand he seems like a competent at safe instructor on the other hand he seems to lack basic knowledge of ground grappling even though I believe you said he's a judo black belt?

                    I can see his point about the RNC I normally wouldn't teach that in a beginners adult Judo class.

                    I totally agree on the DLR.

                    I think what's happening is rather than teaching a general coaching course on how to do things safely in the proper order cues Etc he is letting his own coaching philosophy dominate what he's doing.

                    As it's a general coaching course that's a flaw in his part perhaps.

                    Regardless of the appropriateness of the technique he should be looking at how you taught it your progression safety and all of that.

                    You could be a sarcastic bastard and teach Kesa Gatame next time and the leg entanglement Escape that oughta be safe enough for him. Or Mount and mount Escape.
                    Yes he definitely is teaching us how to teach according to his style. Typical for Israel. He is a competent and safe instructor. He is primarily a Kyokushin guy. He does have a Judo black belt(4th Dan), however he sees that as a add on to the Budo of his Kyokushin. I'm pretty sure I know what he wanted from me, at this point, and I'll talk to him this week to make sure I'm correct. I don't agree on submissions being too dangerous for beginners, but again that is difference of opinion I'm not willing to die on.

                    He definitely thinks his philosophy is best. The test questions he sent us home with for the essays he wants us to write, prove that more than anything. I'm gonna go with the initial advice I got from my coach on this one, just roll with it and get through it, take what works, and discard the rest.

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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Weapons now that's some beginner stuff right there.
                      Dude it was a duffle bag of stuff, I mean like a full sized duffle bag, with knives, throwing stars, chain and ball things and a bunch of other assorted things, that, if searched by the police, I'm sure would get him some special attention and possible domestic terrorism charges.

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                        Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                        Ok some other nuggets. So I explained that there are 36 basic techniques that form the core of BJJ/GJJ that you use form white belt to black belt. An Aikido guy says:

                        So I inform him that getting those down typically brings you to blue belt and that takes the average person 1.5-2yrs. He stares at me in amazement.

                        Another KM guy, complained that I had them working the same technique too long:

                        GBA defended me on that one, but I'm gonna go with the idea of that is part of the reason why KM sucks. No one in the room was doing an RNC correct, I had to correct them all, which in itself takes time, two or three repetitions is hardly going to build any sort of muscle memory, or even basic memory.
                        One thing you might consider is that what you call techniques in BJJ GJJ might not be considered techniques and say other Japanese art.

                        For example if you consider shrimping bridging if escaping and stuff like that to be techniques then for example in Judo those are not considered techniques. So in Judo as you know there's 40 basic throws and chokes arm bars and pins. Those are considered techniques in Judo.

                        Now I know that the basic foundational movements postures Etc are techniques and should be taught as such which is what I do but traditionally in Judo again just as an example they're not.

                        Part of your job as the coach is to have a methodology or program to relatively safely make sure people get enough repetitions of the basic foundational I'll call them techniques and stay interested in not get bored, and get some sort of physical training or workout in the process.

                        The other issue is process and the way you mentioned the different Gracie schools teaching beginners shows their awareness of that in other words mount mount Escape to Kimora or armbar whatever they do. So not only are the techniques and movements foundational you're learning practical application at the same time that being a process.

                        And process is what in my opinion is sorely lacking in a lot of traditional martial arts training including Judo not that judo is really a traditional martial art.

                        Practical process I'm sure a lot of process gets taught a lot of that useless in the long run.

                        So the challenge as an instructor is to blend technical Training with process that's interesting and provides enough of a workout for people, so that they get in better shape and actually learn something that will eventually work in a practical application did competition or self-defense or both.

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                          Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                          How to teach Gracie Jiu-Jitsu day 1 by Rayce.

                          Warm up: standing up in base and breakfalls.

                          Some Standing self defense should be covered.



                          Choose some stuff frome the e above video.Dont throw new studends. let them throw.

                          Grip breaks and and standing subs would be a good idea.

                          For ground technique teach the mount escapes and show how you cant be punched in the face really in mount but you can be punched while mounted by someone. This sends the message of the importance of the escape home.
                          GBA would probably agree with that as far as a full class, he was looking for single lesson. I have to sketch out a lesson plan for an hour long class. I've got some ideas on that. I'll post them up here when it comes together better in my head.

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                            Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                            There are some good and competent people there. Not everyone got to teach, and the smarter competent people mostly held back to see what GBA really wanted. Looking back on it, I kinda wish I had done the same. After a few competent Kyokushin people went(after me), I figured out what he wanted. Especially as, I was a training partner for a lot of it with the only one he didn't criticize, so I asked her what she was assigned, and saw how she structured it, and figured out from that exactly what he was looking for.


                            Yes he definitely is teaching us how to teach according to his style. Typical for Israel. He is a competent and safe instructor. He is primarily a Kyokushin guy. He does have a Judo black belt(4th Dan), however he sees that as a add on to the Budo of his Kyokushin. I'm pretty sure I know what he wanted from me, at this point, and I'll talk to him this week to make sure I'm correct. I don't agree on submissions being too dangerous for beginners, but again that is difference of opinion I'm not willing to die on.

                            He definitely thinks his philosophy is best. The test questions he sent us home with for the essays he wants us to write, prove that more than anything. I'm gonna go with the initial advice I got from my coach on this one, just roll with it and get through it, take what works, and discard the rest.
                            Last paragraph spot on. Pass the course and move on, enjoy lulz...

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                              Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                              Dude it was a duffle bag of stuff, I mean like a full sized duffle bag, with knives, throwing stars, chain and ball things and a bunch of other assorted things, that, if searched by the police, I'm sure would get him some special attention and possible domestic terrorism charges.
                              automatic fail imo...

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                                Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                                Ok some other nuggets. So I explained that there are 36 basic techniques that form the core of BJJ/GJJ that you use form white belt to black belt. An Aikido guy says:

                                So I inform him that getting those down typically brings you to blue belt and that takes the average person 1.5-2yrs. He stares at me in amazement.

                                Another KM guy, complained that I had them working the same technique too long:

                                GBA defended me on that one, but I'm gonna go with the idea of that is part of the reason why KM sucks. No one in the room was doing an RNC correct, I had to correct them all, which in itself takes time, two or three repetitions is hardly going to build any sort of muscle memory, or even basic memory.
                                1. Ask them if they have served in the military.
                                2. Ask them if they are rated as an expert marksman.
                                3. Ask them how many rounds they had spent at the firing range in order to achieve that.
                                4. Now ask them why do they think that a few reps of a technique is all they need to be proficient in H2H.
                                5.?????
                                6. PROFIT!

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