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    Today in Orientalism: European Wing Chun Instructor challenges Xu Xiaodong

    I'm going to assume that if you post on this forum, you already know who Xu Xiaodong is; he's a Chinese MMA fighter who beats the shit out of garbage kung fu instructors to demonstrate that their kung fu is garbage.

    Today, I stumbled upon this golden nugget:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvyu...youtu.be&t=128

    A European "Wingtchun" instructor - who continues the proud tradition of creatively respelling Wing Chun - has challenged Xu Xiaodong to a gong sau. In the course of that challenge, he dropped this golden nugget political obliviousness:

    ""I am from the West and I have full right to represent the Chinese culture and Chinese martial arts."

    I'm still parsing apart everything troublesome in this statement. This is an Italian guy not only claiming ownership of Chinese martial arts - and more astoundingly, Chinese culture- and then telling an actual Chinese martial artist in China that he lacks ownership of said tradition.

    I know he's a tough read, but man, I really feel like Edward Said should be required reading for martial arts instructors. This is just... embarrassing.
    The fool thinks himself immortal,
    If he hold back from battle;
    But old age will grant him no truce,
    Even if spears spare him.

    #2
    There's an "update" to this challenge as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LnRcbCfB8M

    Dude sounds like an Aussie. But like, an Aussie from Melbourne with Italian heritage.
    GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
    Originally posted by Devil
    I think Battlefields and I had a spirited discussion once about who was the biggest narcissist. We both wanted the title but at the end of the day I had to concede defeat. Can't win 'em all.
    Originally posted by BackFistMonkey
    I <3 Battlefields...

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      #3
      If he’s so eager to prove his art isn’t garbage why doesn’t he walk into some mma gym nearby? Why go all the way to China?

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        #4
        All the local people who actually know him keep laughing and escorting him out the door?
        I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
        BILL HICKS,
        1961-1994

        "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
        ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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          #5
          I'm pretty sure the answer is Racism, but in a really complex and roundabout way.
          The fool thinks himself immortal,
          If he hold back from battle;
          But old age will grant him no truce,
          Even if spears spare him.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BJMills View Post
            If he’s so eager to prove his art isn’t garbage why doesn’t he walk into some mma gym nearby? Why go all the way to China?
            As a European, he is uniquely qualified to represent Chinese culture, so obviously he needs to go to China to find the archetypical practictioner of the Western based MMA.
            "Systema, which means, 'the system'..."

            Originally posted by strikistanian
            DROP SEIONAGI MOTHERFUCKER! Except I don't know Judo, so it doesn't work, and he takes my back.
            Originally posted by Devil
            Why is it so goddamn hard to find a video of it? I've seen videos I'm pretty sure are alien spacecraft. But still no good Krav.
            Originally posted by Plasma
            At the point, I must act! You see my rashguard saids "Jiu Jitsu vs The World" and "The World" was standing in front me teaching Anti-Grappling in a school I help run.
            Originally posted by SoulMechanic
            Thank you, not dying really rewarding in more ways than I can express.

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              #7
              I'm completely convinced that this is going to happen.

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                #8
                Originally posted by battlefields View Post
                There's an "update" to this challenge as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LnRcbCfB8M

                Dude sounds like an Aussie. But like, an Aussie from Melbourne with Italian heritage.
                Fernandez isnt an italian name amigo.

                Hes hitting a wooden dummy at the end. Why are those things so fucking noisy? Anyone who doesnt know the chun would probably think the person hitting them is incredibly powerful. In every video they always sound like they are about to fall apart.

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                  #9
                  Do you think he'll show up to his beating in some silk wushu jammies?
                  Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                  Fernandez isnt an italian name amigo.

                  Hes hitting a wooden dummy at the end. Why are those things so fucking noisy? Anyone who doesnt know the chun would probably think the person hitting them is incredibly powerful. In every video they always sound like they are about to fall apart.
                  Wooden dummies are noisy because the arms are a square peg in a square hole with no screws or anything holding them in place, so the wood is clapping against wood, a little like the bamboo clap of a shinai. An older dummy will be louder as chunning on it creates more slack in the arm sockets.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Permalost View Post
                    Do you think he'll show up to his beating in some silk wushu jammies?


                    Wooden dummies are noisy because the arms are a square peg in a square hole with no screws or anything holding them in place, so the wood is clapping against wood, a little like the bamboo clap of a shinai. An older dummy will be louder as chunning on it creates more slack in the arm sockets.
                    Alternately: Shitty engineering, shitty materials, shitty carpentry.
                    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                    BILL HICKS,
                    1961-1994

                    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                    ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                      #11
                      Wasn't the last two Chunners he beat supposed to have been top tier chunners? Can people now stop using the excuse that it "Wasn't the real" now or what?
                      "BJJ!!! Guard can't protect you from collapsing gym roof, tough guy!" - W. Rabbit

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sovvolf View Post
                        Wasn't the last two Chunners he beat supposed to have been top tier chunners? Can people now stop using the excuse that it "Wasn't the real" now or what?
                        Every chunner (or their teacher) is THE top tier chunner and every other chunner (according to them) is shit.

                        Also, every chunner who actually fights, loses. And every chunner who loses was always shit to begin with, according to every other chunner.

                        Confusing, I know. But maintaining your delusions of grandeur in the face of overwhelming reality is always a bit tricky.

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                          #13
                          That's the general go to excuse by the Chunners. Though I suppose when a boxer or MMA fighter loses to a Chunner the same excuses are made so u don't know how hard I can be on that.
                          "BJJ!!! Guard can't protect you from collapsing gym roof, tough guy!" - W. Rabbit

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                            Alternately: Shitty engineering, shitty materials, shitty carpentry.
                            I'd argue that making a bunch of unnecessary wood on wood sounds is part of the appeal, and as such are engineered just fine to that end.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Permalost View Post
                              I'd argue that making a bunch of unnecessary wood on wood sounds is part of the appeal, and as such are engineered just fine to that end.
                              That makes sense. Every time I meet wing Chun guys I assume they are into wood on wood stuff.
                              The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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