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Originally posted by gold_ax666 View PostYes, I know the actual pattern Choong Moo is Chang Hon, but I can only relate my opinion to what I personally consider as Chang Hon style. I don't consider TAGB the same in style. That said, a TAGB stylist may not like my 'interpretation' of the patterns.
This is why I commented before about the politics. There should not be such a diverse range of 'styles' for Chang Hon. It should be standardised. I referee at open style events and I cannot help but prefer the look of those who practice my style of pattern. This is why the referees on each area are a mixture of associations. But this is far form a perfect situation.
What is the answer? Nothing that will happen. If all the associations unite and agree on one syllabus. I can't see all those powerful GMs giving up their positions though to do this!!!
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Originally posted by Heuristic View PostIt is Chang Hon too... Just not sinewave. It is obviously wrong execution but that was to show that there are levels of poor.
This is why I commented before about the politics. There should not be such a diverse range of 'styles' for Chang Hon. It should be standardised. I referee at open style events and I cannot help but prefer the look of those who practice my style of pattern. This is why the referees on each area are a mixture of associations. But this is far form a perfect situation.
What is the answer? Nothing that will happen. If all the associations unite and agree on one syllabus. I can't see all those powerful GMs giving up their positions though to do this!!!
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Originally posted by gold_ax666 View PostIt’s only my opinion and there are too many individual components to mention but quite simply this is performed in a style that I don’t consider ITF.
From incorrect stance lengths to bad foot positioning (L Stance- toes pointing in wrong direction) to bent wrists on certain techniques. I would pick my black belts up on these.
For TAGB this may be perfectly acceptable but if some asks me how this holds up as an ITF style Chang Hon pattern, I would honestly say it needs work.
It is Chang Hon too... Just not sinewave. It is obviously wrong execution but that was to show that there are levels of poor.
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Originally posted by Heuristic View PostRelative to the other ones? A grandmaster
Look at 2:10.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N10NcdoRXUA&t=135s
Now that's about as awful I've ever seen a simple forward direction punch
From incorrect stance lengths to bad foot positioning (L Stance- toes pointing in wrong direction) to bent wrists on certain techniques. I would pick my black belts up on these.
For TAGB this may be perfectly acceptable but if some asks me how this holds up as an ITF style Chang Hon pattern, I would honestly say it needs work.
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Originally posted by Heuristic View PostThis girl was World Champion in forms when she was younger. I like her. She had a hip replacement though so her kicks aren't what they used to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cRFJnbEhsM
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- Originally posted by BKR View PostWTF is with the long-assed belt ? Some sort of sympathetic magic ?
Quite simply it is wrong. A TKD black belt goes round the waist only once to signify one grandmaster, one Taekwondo and to win the fight I one victorious blow.
It should certainly not hang so low. It is too long.
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This girl was World Champion in forms when she was younger. I like her. She had a hip replacement though so her kicks aren't what they used to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cRFJnbEhsM
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Originally posted by gold_ax666 View PostAs I get older pattern work has become my mainstay. I love patterns. I also love competition and still compete now after 25 years of martial arts. Proficiency in any art is a combination of all components within the syllabus. Sparring and competition will give a good indication of ability to fight when compared with a grading which is more a recap of what is required for a certain belt.
TAGB is accepted by neither ITF or WT yet is biggest in the UK than any other association.
I prefer sine wave which TAGB don’t prioritise but each to their own.
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Originally posted by gold_ax666 View PostJust my opinion but- awful.
Look at 2:10.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N10NcdoRXUA&t=135s
Now that's about as awful I've ever seen a simple forward direction punch
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Originally posted by Heuristic View PostHere's a TAGB guy, nowhere near elite but a solid performer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0HcVwbRLo
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Originally posted by Heuristic View PostHow do you weigh forms vs sparring ability? It's hard to argue against someone who can hang with black belts (assuming he doesn't just brawl) simply because his form is less good.
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