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  • omoplatypus
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    I'm guessing that his leg got tangled up and ripped his ankle joint and or muscles in his calf. Tani Otoshi will do that to a fellow if done incorrectly, even once.

    Uki/Yoko Otoshi can do the same if you catch the foot and pin it to the ground.

    And then there is Yoko Gake...
    I was walking a student through yoko wakare, and doing things slowly. Instead of taking the throw, and pushing himself through the ukimi for the demonstration, he just dropped on me. almost 200 pounds, concentrated in his knee, hit the side of my shin. I was surprised it didn't break.

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  • ksennin
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    Originally posted by GrouchyOldMan View Post
    Aren't mishaps like this at least somewhat common? I just take for granted that the unintentional "bumps and bruises" are part of the proverbial package, given the constant physical contact.

    I took a Thai boxing style kick to my shin about three weeks ago, as the result of a failed sweep.

    I let out an instinctual growl as I glared at my partner with a equal parts pain, anger and betrayal. I could tell instantly by the look on his face that it was unintentional and that he felt really bad about having dealt that shot.
    Sure. I have taken far more blows during training than I ever did in actual matches. I lost half a tooth from a kick. Got over a dozen stitches in my face over a period of five years. Got busted knees, clavicle, rib, etc. But these were with training partners. It is part of the deal.

    The instances where a student is the one who busts your face are different.

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  • ksennin
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    Originally posted by Mandem View Post
    This was entirely my fault but one time back when I was teaching Aikido I accidentally punched a kid in the nose.
    A while back, doing some friendly dojo-visiting I one broke two noses in quick succession just by jabbing.
    Another time I got irritated at a young guy who keep sidestepping me and generally trying to avoid all contact and floored him with a haishu-uchi that I aimed at his cheek yet broke his nose.

    Of course, a guy I was helping teach broke my nose with a reverse punch that knocked me unconscious back when I was 21 or so, and I consider it an important lesson I had to learn. Wish I had learned it well, however.

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  • ksennin
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    Originally posted by SneakyGoblin View Post
    I've taught my wife some self defense techniques over the years. As time went on, we became pretty casual and playful about it. We sort of play a gentle game of "Inspector Clouseau and Kato".

    One day, I leapt out at her and she punched me in the throat. It wasn't much of a punch, really; more like she stiff-armed me in the Adam's apple with her fist. However, I stopped dead in my tracks with that classic gagging sound from the movies when some mook gets jabbed in the throat.

    It was a proud moment.
    I do a kind of that Clouseau/Kato playing-around with my 12-year-old son. He has never wanted to train formally, yet enjoyed rough-housing with me, so I slowly taught him to cover up, block, evade, leg-check and do very basic straight punching, first slowly, like crappy chi sao+boxing, then progressively faster. A few weeks ago, while watching a movie, he started throwing at me, and when I playfully tried to grapple him onto the bed, he back-elbowed me in the mouth and cut my lower lip very badly. Everyone freaked out, but thankfully it did not turn him off from keeping it up.

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  • omoplatypus
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    I'm guessing that his leg got tangled up and ripped his ankle joint and or muscles in his calf. Tani Otoshi will do that to a fellow if done incorrectly, even once.

    Uki/Yoko Otoshi can do the same if you catch the foot and pin it to the ground.

    And then there is Yoko Gake...
    I was walking a student through yoko wakare, and doing things slowly. Instead of taking the throw, and pushing himself through the ukimi for the demonstration, he just dropped on me. almost 200 pounds, concentrated in his knee, hit the side of my shin. I was surprised it didn't break.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    He's a solid grappler but mistakes are sometimes painful.

    I Was trying to instruct how to do tani othoshi while sparring a student. After he failed to take me down with it a few times in a row from the proper position one time a while back .... I lossened up to tell him ,"slide diagonally to the rear....." just as I was half way through my sentence he cannon balled into my legs and popped my MCL.

    shit definitely goes south sometimes.
    Yes, Tani Otoshi, as we've noted before, is an infamous knee and/or ankle destroyer. Reason is same I'm very careful as to whom I teach it to and how. I've seen way too many "cannonballs" in my time.

    [oldmanvoice]yessiree bob, back in MY day you had to be a black belt (at least) to even whisper "Tani Otoshi", let alone be initiated into it's arcane secrets.[/oldmanvoice]

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post

    Taking some ukemi is the same as tapping early and often...
    He's a solid grappler but mistakes are sometimes painful.

    I Was trying to instruct how to do tani othoshi while sparring a student. After he failed to take me down with it a few times in a row from the proper position one time a while back .... I lossened up to tell him ,"slide diagonally to the rear....." just as I was half way through my sentence he cannon balled into my legs and popped my MCL.

    shit definitely goes south sometimes.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    We'll see. Unfortunately everything was text book during the throw...... except his ukemi. Generally speaking jiu-jitsu guys fall nice because we don't try to block the throw so hard we land and break something. He resisted until his feet betrayed him.....

    I hit a uki otoshi variant where I fall on to my left hip and roll over into mount. Unfortunately he splatted.
    That's a tough fall unless the person practices it. Even my teen judo students, who have been doing rolling ukemi for a few years, have to get some special training and attention for it. Tori has to be careful as well, as you can splat uke if you want to, and there isn't much uke can do about it.

    Not saying you did that, the fall isn't necessarily an easy on if tori follows through tightly to mount, or if uke resists strongly as you suggest.

    Taking some ukemi is the same as tapping early and often...

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    Low control tori no doubt...

    Hopefully his shoulder survived intact.
    We'll see. Unfortunately everything was text book during the throw...... except his ukemi. Generally speaking jiu-jitsu guys fall nice because we don't try to block the throw so hard we land and break something. He resisted until his feet betrayed him.....

    I hit a uki otoshi variant where I fall on to my left hip and roll over into mount. Unfortunately he splatted.
    Last edited by Raycetpfl; 8/08/2017 4:14pm, .

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Unfortunately I just bounced a student/high purple off the ground with a similar throw. He landed shoulder first.
    Low control tori no doubt...

    Hopefully his shoulder survived intact.

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  • AcerTempest
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    And the most difficult part of the ukemi is, from my experience competing in Nage no Kata, is having a Tori that understands commitment. No half-assed jerky movements allowed in throws. Sensei Bregman always used to say: "You can be fast, or you can be slow, but you CANNOT be half-assed!"

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by AcerTempest View Post
    And fuck Yoko Gake... Just FUCK that throw.

    I have seen more heads hit the mat with that throw than with Sode Tsurikomi Goshi. It is REALLY a hard fall if done at speed.
    Unfortunately I just bounced a student/high purple off the ground with a similar throw. He landed shoulder first.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by AcerTempest View Post
    And fuck Yoko Gake... Just FUCK that throw.

    I have seen more heads hit the mat with that throw than with Sode Tsurikomi Goshi. It is REALLY a hard fall if done at speed.
    Yoko Gake is not for the faint of heart, poor of ukemi, or low-control tori...for sure...

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  • AcerTempest
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    I'm guessing that his leg got tangled up and ripped his ankle joint and or muscles in his calf. Tani Otoshi will do that to a fellow if done incorrectly, even once.

    Uki/Yoko Otoshi can do the same if you catch the foot and pin it to the ground.

    And then there is Yoko Gake...
    And fuck Yoko Gake... Just FUCK that throw.

    I have seen more heads hit the mat with that throw than with Sode Tsurikomi Goshi. It is REALLY a hard fall if done at speed.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I feel like that deserves more of an explanation.
    How did a sacrifice throw turn into a Thai boxing style attack?
    I'm guessing that his leg got tangled up and ripped his ankle joint and or muscles in his calf. Tani Otoshi will do that to a fellow if done incorrectly, even once.

    Uki/Yoko Otoshi can do the same if you catch the foot and pin it to the ground.

    And then there is Yoko Gake...
    Last edited by BKR; 8/08/2017 11:36am, .

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