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    Hey everyone
    I really enjoyed this website!

    I have to say that the forum is very much bullshido attitude but it is okay since a lot of fakes are all around

    anyway my name is Nathan, USSR Born grew up in Israel, residing in South Florida
    Karate, Judo, Jujitsu was my childhood experiences while growing up
    13 to 15 boxing
    15 until 26 is some BJJ/Wrestling and a lot of striking from all types of Kickboxing and Muay Thai...
    Lets just say MMA

    off course as an Israeli I also know Krav Maga it is very simple and very common for us

    I wanted to ask you guys over here in the U.S. how do you real (i hope) martial artists and other people in the US look at Krav Maga...
    Is it marketable? is MMA more popular? I guess it is!

    I am very Muay Thai & MMA oriented instructor for adults and Grappling for kids but I teach everything to everyone!
    I would love and be happy to hear of ideas from you guys for my dojo...!!

    I am thinking of using arm bands instead of belts
    and only using the belt system for BJJ and for little kids

    I am also thinking of using some cool design for GIs for the kids even though I do not like the idea so much
    camo suits?

    Hoping for some nice ideas!

    #2
    Combat Sports -------------> YMAS
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
    BILL HICKS,
    1961-1994

    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
    ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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      #3
      Thanks and sorry for posting in the wrong section
      I was trying to figure it out
      Thanks

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        #4
        Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
        I wanted to ask you guys over here in the U.S. how do you real (i hope) martial artists and other people in the US look at Krav Maga...
        The reputation of US KM is pretty poor on this forum. It is generally taught without any hard contact training, so it becomes a laundry list of scripted moves, like "poke him in the eye, and he will grab his face instinctively, then you can knee him in the groin, which will make him bend over, so you can blablabla"

        That said, one of our more respected members teaches self-defense oriented MMA under the KM banner, so nothing is absolute.


        Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
        Is it marketable?
        Very. It's popular with film choreographers, so it has a lot of name recognition, between that and its military origins, it's easy to sell to people who want to be formidable without doing any work. that said, you could certainly teach it in a more realistic fashion to those that want to hone their other arts for self-defensive scenarios. There's really no reason but greed and laziness for KM to be as bad as it is in the US.

        Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
        is MMA more popular? I guess it is!
        Probably? I don't know where accurate numbers would be found. You might want to take a long look at your area. If there's already a bunch of gyms with good competition records, it's going to be hard to peel away serious people to train with you.

        Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
        I am thinking of using arm bands instead of belts
        and only using the belt system for BJJ and for little kids
        Fair enough, a lot of people eschew belts.

        Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
        I am also thinking of using some cool design for GIs for the kids even though I do not like the idea so much
        camo suits?
        I have no idea how to market to children.
        "Systema, which means, 'the system'..."

        Originally posted by strikistanian
        DROP SEIONAGI MOTHERFUCKER! Except I don't know Judo, so it doesn't work, and he takes my back.
        Originally posted by Devil
        Why is it so goddamn hard to find a video of it? I've seen videos I'm pretty sure are alien spacecraft. But still no good Krav.
        Originally posted by Plasma
        At the point, I must act! You see my rashguard saids "Jiu Jitsu vs The World" and "The World" was standing in front me teaching Anti-Grappling in a school I help run.
        Originally posted by SoulMechanic
        Thank you, not dying really rewarding in more ways than I can express.

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          #5
          Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
          anyway my name is Nathan,
          Hey Nathan.
          USSR Born grew up in Israel, residing in South Florida
          Welcome to the forum and to the States
          Karate, Judo, Jujitsu was my childhood experiences while growing up
          13 to 15 boxing
          15 until 26 is some BJJ/Wrestling and a lot of striking from all types of Kickboxing and Muay Thai...
          Lets just say MMA
          Well the first thing you need to get in order is your product.
          As of yet, you don't have one. What exactly are you selling?
          off course as an Israeli I also know Krav Maga it is very simple and very common for us
          yeah ... not helping your not having a product situation.

          I wanted to ask you guys over here in the U.S. how do you real (i hope) martial artists and other people in the US look at Krav Maga...
          Is it marketable? is MMA more popular? I guess it is!

          I am very Muay Thai & MMA oriented instructor for adults and Grappling for kids but I teach everything to everyone!
          I would love and be happy to hear of ideas from you guys for my dojo...!!

          I am thinking of using arm bands instead of belts
          and only using the belt system for BJJ and for little kids

          I am also thinking of using some cool design for GIs for the kids even though I do not like the idea so much
          camo suits?

          Hoping for some nice ideas!
          Let me be reaaaaaaal clear.
          WTF are you selling?
          What is your product?
          Why is your product unique?
          What are your qualifications to teach the product?
          Where has your product filled a need?
          What history does your product have?
          What is the life cycle of your product?

          Sounds to me like you are trying to build your product out of gimmicks and what is hot. I am trying to actually help you out here, the words seem harsh but it is literally what I see when I look at your post, as someone in Marketing.

          You are basically telling me you want to let the marketing department run the company. Which I guess is fine if you are an employee owned Marketing Firm.
          I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
          BILL HICKS,
          1961-1994

          "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
          ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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            #6
            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
            Hey Nathan.

            Welcome to the forum and to the States

            Well the first thing you need to get in order is your product.
            As of yet, you don't have one. What exactly are you selling?

            yeah ... not helping your not having a product situation.



            Let me be reaaaaaaal clear.
            WTF are you selling?
            What is your product?
            Why is your product unique?
            What are your qualifications to teach the product?
            Where has your product filled a need?
            What history does your product have?
            What is the life cycle of your product?

            Sounds to me like you are trying to build your product out of gimmicks and what is hot. I am trying to actually help you out here, the words seem harsh but it is literally what I see when I look at your post, as someone in Marketing.

            You are basically telling me you want to let the marketing department run the company. Which I guess is fine if you are an employee owned Marketing Firm.
            Thank you for your reply
            I am sorry if I was not clear enough
            I went to college for sports and education and I am certified as:
            Fitness & Health Instructor (Including Minors and Fitness Centers)
            Toddler Gymnastics & Preschool Movement Instructor
            Personal Trainer & Sportstheraphy and Medical Massage Theraphy (Which is known in the US as Athletic Trainer)
            Mixed Martial Arts Instructor (Including Fitness Programs for Martial Arts)
            Krav Maga is very easy to learn and teach and that is a fact
            fits perfectly to some lazy individuals which are probably going to be my clients since some parents are too lazy to be dealing with their kids at the after school/kindergarten/preschool hours!
            Plus I just want you guys to know that all these posts about Krav Maga here that it is this and that are partially true which means yes it is very depending on the instructor's background and if it is military or not... and I am saying that since my own coach and my own friends and me myself were proposed to run the Krav Maga program in the Israeli institute which basically gives KM instructors their certificates even in the army.
            Very important to notice that I also have experience and I had my own Gymnastics studio in Israel and my own Muay Thai Gym in Israel!

            PRODUCT: Classes for kids with an option for parents to workout in a fitness/martial arts facility!

            I am trying to integrate MMA & Krav Maga
            will it look bad?
            BJJ with belts and the rest is arm bands...?
            I imagine people do not know what MMA means
            maybe writing Mixed Martial Arts everywhere would be nice?
            I know Americans like protective gear, maybe it is a bad thing and maybe I should just call it Karate? or Kickboxing?
            my frustration.... =.=''

            Originally posted by ermghoti View Post
            The reputation of US KM is pretty poor on this forum. It is generally taught without any hard contact training, so it becomes a laundry list of scripted moves, like "poke him in the eye, and he will grab his face instinctively, then you can knee him in the groin, which will make him bend over, so you can blablabla"

            That said, one of our more respected members teaches self-defense oriented MMA under the KM banner, so nothing is absolute.




            Very. It's popular with film choreographers, so it has a lot of name recognition, between that and its military origins, it's easy to sell to people who want to be formidable without doing any work. that said, you could certainly teach it in a more realistic fashion to those that want to hone their other arts for self-defensive scenarios. There's really no reason but greed and laziness for KM to be as bad as it is in the US.



            Probably? I don't know where accurate numbers would be found. You might want to take a long look at your area. If there's already a bunch of gyms with good competition records, it's going to be hard to peel away serious people to train with you.



            Fair enough, a lot of people eschew belts.



            I have no idea how to market to children.
            I do not really care about competitive gyms... there is no money in it not in teaching and not in competitions... maybe I will have some kids competing in kickboxing or bjj since mma is illegal in the US for minors but that's the extent
            my experience led me to understand that MMA is dangerous and should be rewarded with a crazy amount of money... the history of injuries is just terrifying and I had some I will never be able to coach someone into maybe getting hurt so bad
            I am into Muay Thai competitions with maximum gear on! I have no idea how I never broke my shins as a child, I guess I was just lucky
            Last edited by nathan91; 7/02/2017 10:22pm, .

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              #7
              Originally posted by nathan91 View Post

              I am thinking of using arm bands instead of belts
              and only using the belt system for BJJ and for little kids


              Hoping for some nice ideas!
              Unless you're a Bjj Black Belt, who gives a shit what you think about Bjj Belts. If you give them out you will be a fraud.
              The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                #8
                Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
                Thank you for your reply
                I am sorry if I was not clear enough
                I went to college for sports and education and I am certified as:
                Fitness & Health Instructor (Including Minors and Fitness Centers)
                Toddler Gymnastics & Preschool Movement Instructor
                Personal Trainer & Sportstheraphy and Medical Massage Theraphy (Which is known in the US as Athletic Trainer)
                Mixed Martial Arts Instructor (Including Fitness Programs for Martial Arts)
                Krav Maga is very easy to learn and teach and that is a fact
                fits perfectly to some lazy individuals which are probably going to be my clients since some parents are too lazy to be dealing with their kids at the after school/kindergarten/preschool hours!
                Plus I just want you guys to know that all these posts about Krav Maga here that it is this and that are partially true which means yes it is very depending on the instructor's background and if it is military or not... and I am saying that since my own coach and my own friends and me myself were proposed to run the Krav Maga program in the Israeli institute which basically gives KM instructors their certificates even in the army.
                Very important to notice that I also have experience and I had my own Gymnastics studio in Israel and my own Muay Thai Gym in Israel!

                PRODUCT: Classes for kids with an option for parents to workout in a fitness/martial arts facility!

                I am trying to integrate MMA & Krav Maga
                will it look bad?
                BJJ with belts and the rest is arm bands...?
                I imagine people do not know what MMA means
                maybe writing Mixed Martial Arts everywhere would be nice?
                I know Americans like protective gear, maybe it is a bad thing and maybe I should just call it Karate? or Kickboxing?
                my frustration.... =.=''


                I do not really care about competitive gyms... there is no money in it not in teaching and not in competitions... maybe I will have some kids competing in kickboxing or bjj since mma is illegal in the US for minors but that's the extent
                my experience led me to understand that MMA is dangerous and should be rewarded with a crazy amount of money... the history of injuries is just terrifying and I had some I will never be able to coach someone into maybe getting hurt so bad
                I am into Muay Thai competitions with maximum gear on! I have no idea how I never broke my shins as a child, I guess I was just lucky
                1.Military Krav sucks.

                2.Minors can fight mma in the USA.

                3. You say tons of dumb wrong shit.
                The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
                  Thank you for your reply
                  I am sorry if I was not clear enough
                  I went to college for sports and education and I am certified as:
                  Fitness & Health Instructor (Including Minors and Fitness Centers)
                  Toddler Gymnastics & Preschool Movement Instructor
                  Personal Trainer & Sportstheraphy and Medical Massage Theraphy (Which is known in the US as Athletic Trainer)
                  Mixed Martial Arts Instructor (Including Fitness Programs for Martial Arts)
                  Krav Maga is very easy to learn and teach and that is a fact
                  fits perfectly to some lazy individuals which are probably going to be my clients since some parents are too lazy to be dealing with their kids at the after school/kindergarten/preschool hours!
                  Plus I just want you guys to know that all these posts about Krav Maga here that it is this and that are partially true which means yes it is very depending on the instructor's background and if it is military or not... and I am saying that since my own coach and my own friends and me myself were proposed to run the Krav Maga program in the Israeli institute which basically gives KM instructors their certificates even in the army.
                  Very important to notice that I also have experience and I had my own Gymnastics studio in Israel and my own Muay Thai Gym in Israel!

                  PRODUCT: Classes for kids with an option for parents to workout in a fitness/martial arts facility!

                  I am trying to integrate MMA & Krav Maga
                  will it look bad?
                  BJJ with belts and the rest is arm bands...?
                  I imagine people do not know what MMA means
                  maybe writing Mixed Martial Arts everywhere would be nice?
                  I know Americans like protective gear, maybe it is a bad thing and maybe I should just call it Karate? or Kickboxing?
                  my frustration.... =.=''


                  I do not really care about competitive gyms... there is no money in it not in teaching and not in competitions... maybe I will have some kids competing in kickboxing or bjj since mma is illegal in the US for minors but that's the extent
                  my experience led me to understand that MMA is dangerous and should be rewarded with a crazy amount of money... the history of injuries is just terrifying and I had some I will never be able to coach someone into maybe getting hurt so bad
                  I am into Muay Thai competitions with maximum gear on! I have no idea how I never broke my shins as a child, I guess I was just lucky
                  So you have Zero qualifications to teach BJJ or any other art besides Krav but you have taught Muay Thai and want to teach BJJ to kids?
                  I know you mentioned something about being certified to MMA but not by who... and you have mentioned no competition record so that becomes even more important.
                  I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                  BILL HICKS,
                  1961-1994

                  "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                  ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                    #10
                    Hold up, MMA is too dangerous but BJJ and Muay Thai is okay?

                    Guess what BJJ and Muay Thai is combined...

                    There's noting horrific about the injuries in MMA, nothing worse than what you find in boxing or wrestling or any other combat sport. Stick to the Krav safe zone.
                    Ne Obliviscaris

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                      So you have Zero qualifications to teach BJJ or any other art besides Krav but you have taught Muay Thai and want to teach BJJ to kids?
                      I know you mentioned something about being certified to MMA but not by who... and you have mentioned no competition record so that becomes even more important.
                      Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                      1.Military Krav sucks.

                      2.Minors can fight mma in the USA.

                      3. You say tons of dumb wrong shit.
                      1.What ever you have seen might have sucked, most of what you see is just name usage, read what I wrote about it... it all depends exactly as was written in this forum 5 and 10 years ago which why I was happy to find it and join you guys here

                      2. Well before I read online I saw this video (youtube.com/watch?v=8TWHAwAJaIQ) and they implied that kids can not compete in MMA like in ufc
                      it has to be with gear which includes almost everything and more padding than adults which makes it very hard to grapple with it... business wise will have to separate class curriculum in my honest opinion.

                      3. I guess I should quit martial arts, immigration, learning and this forum?
                      I am here for an advise and not for complains
                      thanks for your reply

                      Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                      Unless you're a Bjj Black Belt, who gives a shit what you think about Bjj Belts. If you give them out you will be a fraud.
                      I never said I do not know how to teach BJJ, I had a Muay Thai Gym but I used to teach BJJ
                      for me it is boring to teach it but I love it I train as much as I can
                      I have two black belts that loves teaching BJJ and they can do the belt thing for the gym while I can teach 3 to 7 years old
                      I never said I was against BJJ belts, I have my own
                      I think its cool but I do not want to have a martial arts school with belt testing for MMA since BJJ is going to be taught separately from MMA as the Traditional point of view - I wanted an opinion since I do want a variety of classes for kids and for adults.

                      Originally posted by Kovacs View Post
                      Hold up, MMA is too dangerous but BJJ and Muay Thai is okay?

                      Guess what BJJ and Muay Thai is combined...

                      There's noting horrific about the injuries in MMA, nothing worse than what you find in boxing or wrestling or any other combat sport. Stick to the Krav safe zone.
                      BJJ alone is not dangerous in training when supervised
                      Muay Thai is but padding and gear helps a lot!
                      off course combined is more dangerous
                      I never said it is not
                      I am actually afraid of it since I am going to teach kids mostly regardless of choosing since it keeps the lights on... lucky me that I like it
                      Injuries inflicted in those sports are most likely to occur during competitions but not in training exception is muay thai if not padded correctly
                      My opinion is my own, you can tell me I am whatever you think I am but I had inflicted injuries and had my own surgeries over fights and training mostly from Muay Thai and only damaged my ear once in BJJ and hurt a neck muscle on a bad roll
                      I am so sorry I brought up this Krav Maga subject I wasnt even supporting it, it was a business idea
                      apparently it is not popular among experienced martial artists as you guys

                      Thanks anyway :)

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                        So you have Zero qualifications to teach BJJ or any other art besides Krav but you have taught Muay Thai and want to teach BJJ to kids?
                        I know you mentioned something about being certified to MMA but not by who... and you have mentioned no competition record so that becomes even more important.
                        Sorry I missed your reply
                        I can teach BJJ to little kids but not to adults
                        I have black belts in Jujitsu that can teach but they are not local either I am bringing them from abroad...
                        I do not believe that having a competition record implies of how good of a teacher you are
                        I know very good instructors who always kept it to themselves
                        and I also know people who grew their experience in the streets or in the army
                        I am certified by the only big institute in Israel that certifies which is Wingate
                        which still I do not see the reason to have it as a criteria to ask for advises on a forum
                        These facts do not tell you how good of a teacher someone can be... I know great fighters who scream at their students and threaten them to cut their belts with scissors if they wont sit down and shut up on the mat when "sensei" is speaking...
                        I get your hatred in this forum for fake martial artists
                        I promise you I am not the case and even if I am... I am here for advises and not telling you guys are wrong
                        I do not know the culture... I was training in Russia and Israel under Russian coaches who used to train me in a stupid way which does not fit to the United States and I wish to have your advise please :)

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                          #13
                          I will ask directly this time and also please note I have said nothing about Krav.

                          Do you have a competition record in Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ or MMA?
                          Who certified you to instruct MMA and Muay Thai.

                          Originally posted by nathan91 View Post
                          Sorry I missed your reply
                          I can teach BJJ to little kids but not to adults
                          I have black belts in Jujitsu that can teach but they are not local either I am bringing them from abroad...
                          I do not believe that having a competition record implies of how good of a teacher you are
                          I know very good instructors who always kept it to themselves
                          and I also know people who grew their experience in the streets or in the army
                          I am certified by the only big institute in Israel that certifies which is Wingate
                          which still I do not see the reason to have it as a criteria to ask for advises on a forum
                          These facts do not tell you how good of a teacher someone can be... I know great fighters who scream at their students and threaten them to cut their belts with scissors if they wont sit down and shut up on the mat when "sensei" is speaking...
                          I get your hatred in this forum for fake martial artists
                          I promise you I am not the case and even if I am... I am here for advises and not telling you guys are wrong
                          I do not know the culture... I was training in Russia and Israel under Russian coaches who used to train me in a stupid way which does not fit to the United States and I wish to have your advise please :)
                          AH thank you. I was writing while you were posting. I think that covered most my questions indirectly. Would you elaborate on the facts not how you feel or wish us to feel about them. "

                          For example: Have you fought under Muay Thai rules as a Pro or Amateur. Not how you feel about it or how you think it relates to instruction.
                          Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 7/03/2017 1:22am, .
                          I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                          BILL HICKS,
                          1961-1994

                          "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                          ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                            I will ask directly this time and also please note I have said nothing about Krav.

                            Do you have a competition record in Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ or MMA?
                            Who certified you to instruct MMA and Muay Thai.
                            Wingate Institue in Israel
                            I am Israel's Boxing, Kickboxing, K1 champion several times and I had a lot of competitions done in Russia and I spent training camps in Thailand and Russia. Never competed BJJ but I did have a few fights of MMA since it was not so regulated back in that time in Israel and I was in a combat unit in the Israeli army also as an instructor for the unit it self and we called the class of self defense which i taught (which was an MMA) - Krav Maga class lol

                            Oh I have never participated in a competition under Muay Thai rules since my gym and coach had organizations wars and we were submitted for K1 rules
                            but I was training for a lot of years as a Muay Thai fighter and everything inside the gym was Muay Thai
                            we couldnt use elbows in our competitions
                            I have to say frankly most competition was not as hard as training since the other trainees in the gym were heavier and stronger and more experienced so that is also why I can not figure out competitions as a criteria... may be here in the US people who do not fight in competitions are not considered strong?
                            tell me please... thanks!!

                            AMATURE ONLY
                            may be one fight was considered pro but I was 17 I do not remember exactly but it was kickboxing K1 rules and I had only basic gear and it was aired on TV I guess... I cant tell I dont have a TV never had never will :D
                            Last edited by nathan91; 7/03/2017 1:31am, .

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                              #15
                              Well thank you for what appear to be direct answers and info. I am exhausted and need rest. I will happily look over things tomorrow and give you input.
                              Some people get terribly mad and defensive when asked these things but good customers who will be with you for years ask these questions too.

                              (give us some credit by the way, we know some people coach better than they can personally perform for what ever reason)
                              Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 7/03/2017 1:43am, .
                              I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                              BILL HICKS,
                              1961-1994

                              "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                              ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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