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    Hey
    I'm new here, and because I don't know who to talk to - I try talking to you about this.

    Thing ist, I'm in love with BJJ. Started it 6 months ago - and it is the one thing that makes my head quiet. It bringt me a lot of fun, peace and is already really important to me.

    Well, thing is, I just realised the group I train with dies the belt whipping thing at promotions.

    So, I'm a girl. I lieved in an abussive realtionship for years and the guy bet the shit out of me with his belt. He also raped me at the end of the realtionship. I tell you this, because it happened. It's just a part of my life now.

    So, you might understand why the belt whipping thing is just something I will never do. Why? Well, the gym is the one place wehere I feel safe, happy and it is a place that is free of bad memorys. my head is peaceful an quiet there. And I know that the belt whipping thing will remind me of what happened to me and I don't want to carry that into the gym.

    Heres the other thing. I did Krav Maga before. And one day something came up and I had to tell people about my past. And things never were the same again. They never looked at me the same again, they were more gentle with me and I started to feel like the poor girl that people have to handle with so much care. o I left the gym. I don't want people to treat me funny because of hat happened to me. So i kind of don't want to tell them why the belt whipping is something I don't ant to do.

    So, will you please explain to me why you did it? How you feel about it?
    Because I'm a little lost here. I love BJJ. I suck at it - and the blue belt is far away right now - but I don't want to stop doing it because I enjoy it so much. So maybe if there is someone outthere who wants to talk to me about it - please do.

    And sorry about my english, it is not my mothertongue.

    Have a nice evenning!

    #2
    Welcome to Bullshido Walda.

    Thread approved, wrong forum, Gen BS ---------> YMAS.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
    BILL HICKS,
    1961-1994

    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
    ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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      #3
      Personally I think belt whipping is stupid and childish. It's more frat house behavior than gym behavior.

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        #4
        Originally posted by BJMills View Post
        Personally I think belt whipping is stupid and childish. It's more frat house behavior than gym behavior.
        Belt whipping is rare...right? I say that because as far I know, it's something only a handful of gyms do, or would admit to doing. I have personally witnessed some seriously cruel hazing, and I don't use that term lightly.

        If you're gonna do a gauntlet of some type for a promotion...shouldn't it be martial arts related (i.e. endurance rounds or something), and not hazing? I think Omega's school does a gauntlet like that...I'm sure I read that.

        I mean, why not just make them take shots of Bacardi 151 for every belt whip, so that by the time they're through, they also have alcohol poisoning along with contusions from being belt-whipped.
        Last edited by Pship Destroyer; 6/21/2017 2:14pm, .

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          #5
          Originally posted by Walda View Post
          Hey
          I'm new here, and because I don't know who to talk to - I try talking to you about this.

          Thing ist, I'm in love with BJJ. Started it 6 months ago - and it is the one thing that makes my head quiet. It bringt me a lot of fun, peace and is already really important to me.

          Well, thing is, I just realised the group I train with dies the belt whipping thing at promotions.

          So, I'm a girl. I lieved in an abussive realtionship for years and the guy bet the shit out of me with his belt. He also raped me at the end of the realtionship. I tell you this, because it happened. It's just a part of my life now.

          So, you might understand why the belt whipping thing is just something I will never do. Why? Well, the gym is the one place wehere I feel safe, happy and it is a place that is free of bad memorys. my head is peaceful an quiet there. And I know that the belt whipping thing will remind me of what happened to me and I don't want to carry that into the gym.

          Heres the other thing. I did Krav Maga before. And one day something came up and I had to tell people about my past. And things never were the same again. They never looked at me the same again, they were more gentle with me and I started to feel like the poor girl that people have to handle with so much care. o I left the gym. I don't want people to treat me funny because of hat happened to me. So i kind of don't want to tell them why the belt whipping is something I don't ant to do.

          So, will you please explain to me why you did it? How you feel about it?
          Because I'm a little lost here. I love BJJ. I suck at it - and the blue belt is far away right now - but I don't want to stop doing it because I enjoy it so much. So maybe if there is someone outthere who wants to talk to me about it - please do.

          And sorry about my english, it is not my mothertongue.

          Have a nice evenning!
          Hi.

          I'm going to be simple about this: If you tell the school you don't want to undergo this "ritual" and they give you a hard time....fuck them, go find a new gym. Your body is YOUR body.

          Zero tolerance for abuse is zero tolerance for abuse, no matter how funny, interesting, cute, or "tough" instructors might think it is...BJ is right, it's run-of-the-mill locker room hazing bullshit.

          There have got to be thousands of gyms out there that don't whip people during promotions.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Walda View Post
            Hey
            I'm new here, and because I don't know who to talk to - I try talking to you about this.

            Thing ist, I'm in love with BJJ. Started it 6 months ago - and it is the one thing that makes my head quiet. It bringt me a lot of fun, peace and is already really important to me.

            Well, thing is, I just realised the group I train with dies the belt whipping thing at promotions.

            So, I'm a girl. I lieved in an abussive realtionship for years and the guy bet the shit out of me with his belt. He also raped me at the end of the realtionship. I tell you this, because it happened. It's just a part of my life now.

            So, you might understand why the belt whipping thing is just something I will never do. Why? Well, the gym is the one place wehere I feel safe, happy and it is a place that is free of bad memorys. my head is peaceful an quiet there. And I know that the belt whipping thing will remind me of what happened to me and I don't want to carry that into the gym.

            Heres the other thing. I did Krav Maga before. And one day something came up and I had to tell people about my past. And things never were the same again. They never looked at me the same again, they were more gentle with me and I started to feel like the poor girl that people have to handle with so much care. o I left the gym. I don't want people to treat me funny because of hat happened to me. So i kind of don't want to tell them why the belt whipping is something I don't ant to do.

            So, will you please explain to me why you did it? How you feel about it?
            Because I'm a little lost here. I love BJJ. I suck at it - and the blue belt is far away right now - but I don't want to stop doing it because I enjoy it so much. So maybe if there is someone outthere who wants to talk to me about it - please do.

            And sorry about my english, it is not my mothertongue.

            Have a nice evenning!
            An American named Prof Chris Haueter came up with the tradition shortly after his military service.
            It became popular in the US in BJJ academies, and was quickly exported back to Brazil, where it also became popular, and then elsewhere in the world to BJJ academies.
            It is a stupid practice, and there have been some incidents of eye damage, testicle damage, infections (many people have the dangerous from an infectious disease standpoint of not washing their belts).
            The person who started the practice, Prof Chris no longer does it anymore, and is now critical of it.
            I encourage the black belts under me not to allow the practice, and I never participate in it.
            MMA fighting, sports competitions, and live sparring should be ordeal enough.
            My advice is, politely tell your instructor that you are opting out of the belt whipping, when the time comes, no details necessary, and if the instructor is not mature enough to handle that, then find an instructor who is a grown up and a professional.

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              #7
              I thought it was rare actually. Before starting BJJ I read a little on the internet about it, some articles and stuff. I fount a small group to train with, this group is affiliated with a bigger gym. In my group nobody mentioned it before - but the head coach of the actual gym posted about promotions a couple of days ago. An he mentioned the whipping and some guys talked about being sore from it.
              I don't get why they do it in the first place. And honestly, I have no problem with pain - when it is related to fighting. i do Muaythai too and I come home with bruises sometimes. happens. Don't have a problem with fighting men either.
              But just letting them hit me for no reason? I Don't get it.

              PS And thank you for your answers. Sorry again for the bad english.
              Last edited by Walda; 6/21/2017 2:17pm, .

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                #8
                Hi, welcome to Bullshido.

                I'm not against running the gauntlet - been there- as long as it doesn't goes out of hand.

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                  #9
                  Just inform the lead instructor that your past experiences would cause such a ritual to be emotionally traumatic. If that is not immediately understandable, train somewhere else.
                  "Systema, which means, 'the system'..."

                  Originally posted by strikistanian
                  DROP SEIONAGI MOTHERFUCKER! Except I don't know Judo, so it doesn't work, and he takes my back.
                  Originally posted by Devil
                  Why is it so goddamn hard to find a video of it? I've seen videos I'm pretty sure are alien spacecraft. But still no good Krav.
                  Originally posted by Plasma
                  At the point, I must act! You see my rashguard saids "Jiu Jitsu vs The World" and "The World" was standing in front me teaching Anti-Grappling in a school I help run.
                  Originally posted by SoulMechanic
                  Thank you, not dying really rewarding in more ways than I can express.

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                    #10
                    I think it's puerile, and undignified.

                    Doing 1 minute rounds with everybody in the class, no problem. Belt whipping gauntlet is just plain silly.
                    Falling for Judo since 1980

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Walda View Post
                      I thought it was rare actually. Before starting BJJ I read a little on the internet about it, some articles and stuff. I fount a small group to train with, this group is affiliated with a bigger gym. In my group nobody mentioned it before - but the head coach of the actual gym posted about promotions a couple of days ago. An he mentioned the whipping and some guys talked about being sore from it.
                      I don't get why they do it in the first place. And honestly, I have no problem with pain - when it is related to fighting. i do Muaythai too and I come home with bruises sometimes. happens. Don't have a problem with fighting men either.
                      But just letting them hit me for no reason? I Don't get it.

                      PS And thank you for your answers. Sorry again for the bad english.
                      Look up Rites of Passage Rituals to get a better understanding of the psychology behind them. It is literally ancient human frat boy behavior.
                      “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
                      BILL HICKS,
                      1961-1994

                      "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                      ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Walda View Post
                        Hey
                        I'm new here, and because I don't know who to talk to - I try talking to you about this.

                        Thing ist, I'm in love with BJJ. Started it 6 months ago - and it is the one thing that makes my head quiet. It bringt me a lot of fun, peace and is already really important to me.

                        Well, thing is, I just realised the group I train with dies the belt whipping thing at promotions.

                        So, I'm a girl. I lieved in an abussive realtionship for years and the guy bet the shit out of me with his belt. He also raped me at the end of the realtionship. I tell you this, because it happened. It's just a part of my life now.

                        So, you might understand why the belt whipping thing is just something I will never do. Why? Well, the gym is the one place wehere I feel safe, happy and it is a place that is free of bad memorys. my head is peaceful an quiet there. And I know that the belt whipping thing will remind me of what happened to me and I don't want to carry that into the gym.

                        Heres the other thing. I did Krav Maga before. And one day something came up and I had to tell people about my past. And things never were the same again. They never looked at me the same again, they were more gentle with me and I started to feel like the poor girl that people have to handle with so much care. o I left the gym. I don't want people to treat me funny because of hat happened to me. So i kind of don't want to tell them why the belt whipping is something I don't ant to do.

                        So, will you please explain to me why you did it? How you feel about it?
                        Because I'm a little lost here. I love BJJ. I suck at it - and the blue belt is far away right now - but I don't want to stop doing it because I enjoy it so much. So maybe if there is someone outthere who wants to talk to me about it - please do.

                        And sorry about my english, it is not my mothertongue.

                        Have a nice evenning!
                        I'm so sorry to hear about all that....no one should go through waht you did, and you have my deepest condolences

                        If i got news that my girlfriend had to go through that and someone was doing that to her....I'd have brought hell to that place, no doubt. yea, i'd go with wat others have said and go somewhere else to train. the place where my girl trains is a 40 minute drive, but i dont mind driving her there

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                          Look up Rites of Passage Rituals to get a better understanding of the psychology behind them. It is literally ancient human frat boy behavior.
                          This used to be a often discussed thing on Bullshido.net in ancient times...

                          Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do something you aren't comfortable doing in any martial arts school.

                          If it doesn't feel right on that level, opt-out. If they don't want/let you to opt-out...beware.

                          The first protobullshidoka were cults of people perfectly comfortable with allowing instructors to perform heinous acts of depravity upon them and their kids.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Walda View Post
                            Hey
                            I'm new here, and because I don't know who to talk to - I try talking to you about this.

                            Thing ist, I'm in love with BJJ. Started it 6 months ago - and it is the one thing that makes my head quiet. It bringt me a lot of fun, peace and is already really important to me.

                            Well, thing is, I just realised the group I train with dies the belt whipping thing at promotions.

                            So, I'm a girl. I lieved in an abussive realtionship for years and the guy bet the shit out of me with his belt. He also raped me at the end of the realtionship. I tell you this, because it happened. It's just a part of my life now.

                            So, you might understand why the belt whipping thing is just something I will never do. Why? Well, the gym is the one place wehere I feel safe, happy and it is a place that is free of bad memorys. my head is peaceful an quiet there. And I know that the belt whipping thing will remind me of what happened to me and I don't want to carry that into the gym.

                            Heres the other thing. I did Krav Maga before. And one day something came up and I had to tell people about my past. And things never were the same again. They never looked at me the same again, they were more gentle with me and I started to feel like the poor girl that people have to handle with so much care. o I left the gym. I don't want people to treat me funny because of hat happened to me. So i kind of don't want to tell them why the belt whipping is something I don't ant to do.

                            So, will you please explain to me why you did it? How you feel about it?
                            Because I'm a little lost here. I love BJJ. I suck at it - and the blue belt is far away right now - but I don't want to stop doing it because I enjoy it so much. So maybe if there is someone outthere who wants to talk to me about it - please do.

                            And sorry about my english, it is not my mothertongue.

                            Have a nice evenning!
                            As usual it's best you start all conversations with Bjj school owners the same way as you do policemen.
                            Inform them that you pay their salary and you won't be doing any thing you don't wanna do.

                            At out school we just do hard rolling and training for like 2 hours as part of the promotion "ritual". From white - blue you also have to demonstrate the self defense.
                            I got belt whipped for my purple and brown but most students don't get that because of the obvious issues that can arise from that practice. Some of my students wanted to whip me when I got my black but my teacher said ,"We don't whip blackbelts."
                            The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                              #15
                              Like most things, it really depends on the people.
                              Hazing things normally start off more or less innocent and mild, but with each generation get worse.
                              Their are people I have trained with that I would trust to run the gauntlet with - virtually none of them are white belts.
                              It takes a certain maturity to haze people without it being a bad thing, unfortunately the very act of hazing is typically an immature thing.
                              Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                              –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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