I am officially calling you out Rayce you coward.

[JohnnyCache]

No, you would not.

I am older, and my body is compromised in many ways. However, my hand eye coordination and speed with a blade is still exceptional. When sparring I beat everyone, including my instructors who have decades of blade training.

I am exceptionally gifted in terms of genetics when it comes to knife fighting.

We all have our strong and weak points. My BJJ top game came very easily to me, but I was not made for the guard. I practice my guard more because it needs it.

Boxing came easily to me, but kicking did not. I devoted my self seriously to kicking and after years I got good.

We all have things we are gifted in, and things we are not.

I would venture that people on this board are/were naturally better than average than their training partners from day one.

With a blade, whether wood, rubber, steel or electricity I will cut you to pieces in a heartbeat. You will bleed out in under 30 seconds.

How many people have you bled out to date?

Please answer by letter:

a) 1-3

b) 3-5

C) 5+

[Raycetpfl]

No, you would not.

I am older, and my body is compromised in many ways. However, my hand eye coordination and speed with a blade is still exceptional. When sparring I beat everyone, including my instructors who have decades of blade training.

I am exceptionally gifted in terms of genetics when it comes to knife fighting.

We all have our strong and weak points. My BJJ top game came very easily to me, but I was not made for the guard. I practice my guard more because it needs it.

Boxing came easily to me, but kicking did not. I devoted my self seriously to kicking and after years I got good.

We all have things we are gifted in, and things we are not.

I would venture that people on this board are/were naturally better than average than their training partners from day one.

With a blade, whether wood, rubber, steel or electricity I will cut you to pieces in a heartbeat. You will bleed out in under 30 seconds.

Yes.....with wood... rubber or electricity you would cut me to pieces. What ever you say fatter Bannon.

[preschol]

This particular troll is constructed out of socks. I am pretty sure it's Holy Moment or Devil or someone.
It's a fun thought though. Phil Migliarese is coming to Tampa in September.

Were I to meet him my focus would be 100% on learning from him. hell, if you pulled your head out of your ass I would study my ground game under you.

When I see a BJJ black belt all I would do is try and learn. BJJ BB's are absolutely fantastic to roll with, so fluid and so safe.

You see, I am teachable. I am old yet everyday I try and learn as much as I can. I have been training in M Arts for 16 years, bodybuilding for 42 years (I am a champion bodybuilder). I plan on learning until the day I die.

You should adopt this attitude.

[preschol]

Yes.....with wood... rubber or electricity you would cut me to pieces. What ever you say fatter Bannon.

Yes, I would. My hamstring injury is more severe than I initially thought, but I would still disassemble you with a blade. I have lost 14 lbs, BTW.

[GrouchyOldMan]

To summarize the thread thus far...All BJJ practitioners are deluded idiots (as proclaimed by an individual who laid down an open challenge to a knife fight). Being a wrestler makes you immune to physics and gravity. A wrestler who knows striking is damn near invincible. A wrestler who learned teh realz Phillipino knife fighting would be COMPLETELY invincible. BKR doesn't know if ippon seio nage or jap whizzer came first (and neither does anyone else, in all fairness). If you are exceptionally gifted, genetically, than you can cause anyone to bleed out in under 30 seconds using wood, rubber or electricity. Omega has stopped reading. And, this was all started, disingenuously, by Back Fist Monkey.

Did I miss anything?

[Michael Tzadok]

You talk like someone who read the right answers or has listened to experts talk but doesn't actually know the material. It's just off.


Low amplitude Double legs are the easiest takedown to learn especially if you turn the corner and just drive thru the legs. There's really nothing to them. ....... but you said head on the inside so you can always turn the corner?

You talk about fighting the way virgins in Texas talk about sex with their Canadian model girl friends.

Any kid in Peewee wrestling will tell you Single Leg, head on the inside, Double Leg Head on the outside.

However, seeing as this Dan Henderson dude, is so postured up, as opposed to bent over, clearly he doesn't know squat. Any wrestler will easy be able to shoot singles and doubles on him all day long... At least I think that is what we heard about a Sambo World Champion... so clearly...

[preschol]

To summarize the thread thus far...All BJJ practitioners are deluded idiots (as proclaimed by an individual who laid down an open challenge to a knife fight). Being a wrestler makes you immune to physics and gravity. A wrestler who knows striking is damn near invincible. A wrestler who learned teh realz Phillipino knife fighting would be COMPLETELY invincible. BKR doesn't know if ippon seio nage or jap whizzer came first (and neither does anyone else, in all fairness). If you are exceptionally gifted, genetically, than you can cause anyone to bleed out in under 30 seconds using wood, rubber or electricity. Omega has stopped reading. And, this was all started, disingenuously, by Back Fist Monkey.

Did I miss anything?

Yes. Would you be so kind as to post a bit more?

[preschol]

In regards to my old training partner, Jay White, he sparred (stand up) with Dan. Dan broke Jays' nose. Jay is 60 lbs bigger than Dan, but everything you have heard about his punching power is true.

Guys like Dan are from another Universe. It is one thing to watch them on TV, another to experience their skill set first hand.

I generally, no matter where I trained, became one of the best guys in the school regardless of striking, grappling or bodybuilding.

People ask me how I would have done had I fought professionally.

I tell them I would have been mediocre at best. 5 and 5, and certainly not close to the level of guys who make it to the UFC. Guys like Dan are from another universe. He is three levels above me, and pretty much everyone else.

In the wrestling community, people know full well what an Olympic level wrestler is like.

They are nothing like you or me.

The only people who think that they can somehow hang with guys like Dan are the BJJ guys.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I agree with what you are saying. I'm sure Dan Gable didn't do himself any favors by staying as active in wrestling as he did, nor by coming back after the hip replacement and still rolling with his D1 wrestlers. I met him when I was in the Junior Olympics and he was coaching the US National team heading into the 2000 Olympics. He still rolled with the guys of the US National team and gave them a hard time. He didn't step down from coaching until 2011(over a decade from his 1997 hip replacement). Some of what has torn him up is genetic, some of it is just hard living. Now he does PR and fundraising for the US National team and USA Wrestling in general.

You want an honest assesment, Dan Gable's injuries came not so much from getting old, as they did him pushing himself to the point that he could still, beat the young studs in his wrestling room... There is a Masters Division for a reason. He always said, that he would step down when he could no longer beat every wrestler in the wrestling room at Iowa State... When he stepped down he said he would be back when he could again. Finally in 2011 at the age of 63 he admitted that after Owings, age was an opponent that got the better of him.

Right on target.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Any kid in Peewee wrestling will tell you Single Leg, head on the inside, Double Leg Head on the outside.

However, seeing as this Dan Henderson dude, is so postured up, as opposed to bent over, clearly he doesn't know squat. Any wrestler will easy be able to shoot singles and doubles on him all day long... At least I think that is what we heard about a Sambo World Champion... so clearly...

There is also the high crotch.
And there is a group of high school type wrestling coaches in the Maryland area that annoyingly call the high crotch the "head outside single".
I use the nomenclature high crotch (head outside), single leg (means head on inside for my nomenclature), and double leg myself.

[goodlun]

Man if only I got to judge my ability by what my old training partners could do.......

[preschol]

Any kid in Peewee wrestling will tell you Single Leg, head on the inside, Double Leg Head on the outside.

However, seeing as this Dan Henderson dude, is so postured up, as opposed to bent over, clearly he doesn't know squat. Any wrestler will easy be able to shoot singles and doubles on him all day long... At least I think that is what we heard about a Sambo World Champion... so clearly...

Are you saying that striking posture is different from wrestling posture? WOW, you are a genius! No one would have ever figured that one out.

A gifted fighter will move effortlessly from range to range. Your striking stance will also change. Against a BJJ BB your stance will be wider, and you will kick less to reduce the chance of being taken to the ground.

The point I am making is that wrestlers are much better at making these sorts of transitions which is why the dominate MMA. BJJ guys have a much harder time of it.

[preschol]

There is also the high crotch.
And there is a group of high school type wrestling coaches in the Maryland area that annoyingly call the high crotch the "head outside single".
I use the nomenclature high crotch (head outside), single leg (means head on inside for my nomenclature), and double leg myself.

I don't like the high crotch (OK...that sounds odd, LOL) because your are vulnerable to a neck crank submission/crucifix.

When my old coach Nick Sanzo fought Jerry Bolander in the UFC he was caught this way.

[It is Fake]

Look...I love BJJ, it is a fantastic art and an absolutely essential component of self defense. If a regular guy came up to me and asked "hey, I know nothing about fighting, but I want to learn how to defend myself as quickly and efficiently as possible" I would probably suggest BJJ if it was old school and not pure sport oriented.

You train on the feet 25% of the time, learn how to avoid strikes, get the clinch and win on the ground. That is the BJJ I trained in 20 years ago.

But you must understand its limitations. You are not going to develop high level striking and wrestling in a BJJ class. As I said before, I would tell someone to train in BJJ at least 3 times a week for at least a full year. That would give you what you probably would need to "save your life" in a bad situation.

But lets get real. You are not and will not become some amazing bad assed street fighter or MMA professional. You will need to train in a dedicated striking program and a dedicated wrestling program.

Many MMA schools have high level striking and wrestling coaches. Many do not.

Just stop the BJJ is the God of martial arts nonsense.

I can tell you as a fact that Renzo and Ralph never claimed this sort of foolishness. Of course BJJ is their specialty, but Renzo did a lot of MT and Ralph had a boxing coach fulltime at his school. Ralph had a very solid boxing background.

All Renzo professional fighters spend a ton of time training under Longo. Both Renzo and Ralph spent a ton of time with quality striking instruction.

Renzo fought some rude bastard at a gas station and he did not pull guard, he punched him.

As I have mentioned before, only BJJ guys think they can beat all martial artists. You never hear Golden Glove champs or high level wrestlers spew some sort of nonsense of being able to beat the world with only one martial art. They respect (and are interested in learning) BJJ. Most of them would train if BJJ were not so expensive. I train my sons wrestling coach and he loves BJJ.

He has tremendous respect for the art.

BJJ is the only martial art that has many practitioners who think they are the be all and end all of fighting.

See and this is why you aren't a B+ troll. You are using old debates circa Ashida Kim asshattery. It was called the BJJihad, not BJJ is God and was leveled by what we called blue belt syndrome and that has been dead for at least 7 years. Everyone here says you need a complete game. You, Rabbit, Sock Pupptet Rabbit and his best friend wabbit are arguing shit long dead around 2009ish.

Your entire post is one shitty straw-man surrounded by multiple red herrings.

You never see this nonsense on boxing and wrestling boards.

Now you are a damn lie.

[Raycetpfl]

Any kid in Peewee wrestling will tell you Single Leg, head on the inside, Double Leg Head on the outside.
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Jordan B. And I think you're a know nothing.