I am officially calling you out Rayce you coward.

[jnp]

I disagree with this. I would say Gjj specializes in getting past the striking range into the clinch range To take things to the ground. Obviously different Schools have different focus but saying bjj is 1 dimensional is inaccurate. This is like claiming wrestling and Judo don't have good pins.

I also think as a whole freestyle wrestling has the best leg takedowns ,Judo has the best throws, and Bjj has the best ground work. Claiming bjj doesn't have takedowns is like claiming as soon as Olympic wrestlers hit their takedowns they have no idea how to pin because they only know one range of combat. That's kinda silly.

I was speaking in broad terms, but you are right. There are plenty of BJJ schools that teach clinch entries. I benefited from this training myself. There are BJJ schools that have solid takedown curricula as well. It would be more accurate if I had stated that BJJ specializes in the ground range more than other ranges.

jnp: See what I am saying.

Not really. In his statement above, he's stating that several GJJ schools teach techniques to get past the striking and into the clinch range. He is not claiming that it's the best training out there, he's just stating that it exists. Maybe he claimed otherwise somewhere else, but I can only form an opinion based on what I have personally observed.

[Raycetpfl]

You are absolutely correct on every point accept 1: There are still BJJ guys like Rayce who think they get top level striking/wrestling in their BJJ class. I was, at first, incredulous that Rayce made this statement. He did, and he defended it over and over again. It was on the 42 page thread I participated in. The reason I worked that that thread up to 42 pages is the unending and relentless position held by a multitude of people. It was as if it were 1995.

I am sorry, I should not make sport out of these people, it was just astounding how vociferously they would argue that their wrestling and striking are equal to people who spent years is a dedicated wrestling program and or striking program.

There are several like minded in my area. One of the most talented people I ever trained with, a legit Black Belt and a Golden Gloves level striker lost his first professional fight because he refuses to wrestle. The fight was back and forth on the feet, but he kept trying to pull guard, of course failing each time. His father is one of the most knowledgeable martial artist ion the planet, but he also does not consider wrestling to be a real martial art, and he has reffed for the UFC.

I am amazed that there are people who still think this way. I explained it in the other thread that it is a well documented sociological/psychological tool called cognitive dissonance. I train BJJ. I am smart. Since I am smart BJJ must be the best martial art. The same thing is true of Kung Fu.

I beat my wife, therefore wife beating is OK.

On the other hand, I respect all martial arts. I have even integrated TKD and trapping into my routine. Trapping works in many situations (especially weapons).

There are 4 ranges of combat. There is a trapping range. The problem with Kung Fu trapping is that Kung Fu striking is so bad Kung Fu guys are unconscious by the time the fight is in that range. That is a critical range for the blade. If I trap your blade, you are fucked. That is also the range where I train biting, head butting and eye gouging.

FMA's heavily integrate these materials. I have been training in them for a while. I have no problem fighting Rayce with a blade, not because I am tough or crazy...because I know I will win. There are worlds of material that are extremely effective that these guys are oblivious to. There are a dozen knife fight challenges going on right now in the Philippines. It is a blade culture, and they have a system that is 1000 years old and extremely effective. It has to be because your ligfe depends on it. All grappling in FMA's is weapons based. Very, very few people here in the states have seen this system.

Please be clear: Dirty fighting alone will never win a fight. You must have a base in sport martial arts like wrestling, MT, boxing and BJJ to employ dirty fighting.

For example, I have you locked down in my guard on the bottom, your neck/juggler is right there.

BJJ/GJJ always emphasized position, exactly for these reasons. No matter where you are, you always maintain a position where tyour opponent can not bite/eue guouge, pr head butt. All the fancy half guards we see today don't work if I am head-butting you. Watch Renzo fight Strikers (who insultead a female Gracie, that's why Renzo stepped on his head).

I wrestled for 6 years, not 2. My wrestling system is based in sport wrestling but it is influenced by Dumog and JJJ. It does not require the athleticism of pure sport wrestling. However, I teach single legs. Why? Because if you are a ground guy you need them. If you are a stand up guy you need to defend the single and or double.

I respect all martial arts. Sadly, I am sorry but the people here do not. You may, and Murphy may, but my threads would never be so massive if the BJJ is God crowd respected other martial arts. They do not, so yes, I make fun of them.

If you want respect, you have to give respect. You have my respect, jnp. But sorry, the myopic and uneducated masses here do not.

Ironically, BJJ and Arnis/kali blade traing go perfectly with BJJ. A BJJ BB with 2-3 years of quality blade training would be unbeatable for anyone who did not have a gun. In fact, although I always carry a gun, I can get my blade out and on you much, much faster then most can draw and get on target.

I wanna make something perfectly clear. If you ever were to make good on your challenge,which you won't because you're a less athletic version of steve Bannon, I would take the shock knife away from you ,turn it sideways and shove it up your ass.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I wanna make something perfectly clear. If you ever were to make good on your challenge,which you won't because you're a less athletic version of steve Bannon, I would take the shock knife away from you ,turn it sideways and shove it up your ass.

[Omega Supreme]

Question guys. I stopped reading a while ago. Are you still feeding into this troll?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Question guys. I stopped reading a while ago. Are you still feeding into this troll?

[Raycetpfl]

Question guys. I stopped reading a while ago. Are you still feeding into this troll?

But it's funny to me.... I get to cut pro wrestling promos.

[Michael Tzadok]

Hmmm....
Wrestling is very hard on the hips and the knees.
A lot of wrestlers and judokas end up needing hip and knee replacements due to repeated trauma to those joints which results in small areas of blood flow disruption, which leads to the progressive death of the bone structure in the joint, which necessitates getting prosthetic replacements when the pain from the degeneration is no longer bearable.
Sometimes this process is accelerated by the frequent use of cortisone and prednisone therapy for injury pain relief,
and/or accelerated or caused on its own by arthritis conditions, and/or chronic microinflammation conditions (and this can be from a combination or an either/or of genetics and/or your body's reaction to your diet).
Here's the thing: training combat sports very intensely, with minimal safety equipment and training in realistic ways is actually very bad (incredibly bad) for your body from a trauma perspective.
Compound that over time with a decade or a couple decades or a few decades of performing those activities, and you will have the twisted and crippled body of Quasi-modo.
You will know a long time grappler in their middle age not by his ears (because he or she may have worn headgear), but by their inability to do the simple tasks of everyday living with both sides of their body without severe pain.
Getting old isn't for wimps.
Getting old as a long-time grappler is especially not for wimps.
That's life.
Eventually our bio-engineer researchers will be able to just grow new hips and new knees in our bodies and then transplant them or grow them in a lab.
Until then, if you want to play these sports in time periods measured in decades, not years, then you have to be willing to eventually be Darth Vader about it, as much machine as man, and probably living in constant daily pain in your middle age and beyond.

I agree with what you are saying. I'm sure Dan Gable didn't do himself any favors by staying as active in wrestling as he did, nor by coming back after the hip replacement and still rolling with his D1 wrestlers. I met him when I was in the Junior Olympics and he was coaching the US National team heading into the 2000 Olympics. He still rolled with the guys of the US National team and gave them a hard time. He didn't step down from coaching until 2011(over a decade from his 1997 hip replacement). Some of what has torn him up is genetic, some of it is just hard living. Now he does PR and fundraising for the US National team and USA Wrestling in general.

You want an honest assesment, Dan Gable's injuries came not so much from getting old, as they did him pushing himself to the point that he could still, beat the young studs in his wrestling room... There is a Masters Division for a reason. He always said, that he would step down when he could no longer beat every wrestler in the wrestling room at Iowa State... When he stepped down he said he would be back when he could again. Finally in 2011 at the age of 63 he admitted that after Owings, age was an opponent that got the better of him.

[Michael Tzadok]

I wanna make something perfectly clear. If you ever were to make good on your challenge,which you won't because you're a less athletic version of steve Bannon, I would take the shock knife away from you ,turn it sideways and shove it up your ass.

I think we should start a go fund me to make this happen.

I remember from a long time ago on here when another troll called out, I think it was Phrost, and set up a throwdown at Sambo Steve's place in NYC. When the troll(s) didn't show, Sambo Steve gave all in attendance a Sambo Semminar. Maybe you make the locale Philly and have Ricky do the same thing? Just a thought.

[preschol]

Hmmm....
Wrestling is very hard on the hips and the knees.
A lot of wrestlers and judokas end up needing hip and knee replacements due to repeated trauma to those joints which results in small areas of blood flow disruption, which leads to the progressive death of the bone structure in the joint, which necessitates getting prosthetic replacements when the pain from the degeneration is no longer bearable.
Sometimes this process is accelerated by the frequent use of cortisone and prednisone therapy for injury pain relief,
and/or accelerated or caused on its own by arthritis conditions, and/or chronic microinflammation conditions (and this can be from a combination or an either/or of genetics and/or your body's reaction to your diet).
Here's the thing: training combat sports very intensely, with minimal safety equipment and training in realistic ways is actually very bad (incredibly bad) for your body from a trauma perspective.
Compound that over time with a decade or a couple decades or a few decades of performing those activities, and you will have the twisted and crippled body of Quasi-modo.
You will know a long time grappler in their middle age not by his ears (because he or she may have worn headgear), but by their inability to do the simple tasks of everyday living with both sides of their body without severe pain.
Getting old isn't for wimps.
Getting old as a long-time grappler is especially not for wimps.
That's life.
Eventually our bio-engineer researchers will be able to just grow new hips and new knees in our bodies and then transplant them or grow them in a lab.
Until then, if you want to play these sports in time periods measured in decades, not years, then you have to be willing to eventually be Darth Vader about it, as much machine as man, and probably living in constant daily pain in your middle age and beyond.

It is not only the knees. Any time you go from standing to the mat you risk injury. In all the martial arts I have done, wrestling and Judo are far and away the most likely to cause injury, especially broken bones.

Yes, boxing/striking causes very severe damage to the brain, and pugilistyic dementia does not manifest itself until you are older, but for broken bones and hospital trips, wrestling and Judo are the leaders.

As I get older I modify my stand up grappling game. I don't go up against the young bucks heading towards a full ride. I use arm drags and set up whizzer throws. I go about half way into a whizzer throw because I don't want to injure my partner. I pretty much do not do all out takedowns any more. I work my sprawls and takedown defense.

I do a lot of Dumog and FMA/weapons based takedowns. I use a good amount of JJJ takedowns which are very similar to Gracie Combative takedowns.

Let me put it this way: I swore 5 years ago to stop stand up sparring (Boxing, kickboxing etc.). However, my ego kicks in and I still spar/strike against doctors order.

Sparring against a Golden Gloves boxer is less dangerous than wrestling.

My grappling system utilizes techniques that are designed for the average person, or the older athlete to use. I do not teach double legs because they require more athletic ability then your average person has.

When it comes to single legs, I emphasize set ups off striking that put you in a place where you can execute the takedown without being a world class athlete.

The head must always be on the inside, and I want you to always be able to turn the corner to finish.

I design takedowns so that your typical BJJ student, the non athlete can get the fight to the place where he/she can win, the ground.

[Raycetpfl]

I think we should start a go fund me to make this happen.

I remember from a long time ago on here when another troll called out, I think it was Phrost, and set up a throwdown at Sambo Steve's place in NYC. When the troll(s) didn't show, Sambo Steve gave all in attendance a Sambo Semminar. Maybe you make the locale Philly and have Ricky do the same thing? Just a thought.

This particular troll is constructed out of socks. I am pretty sure it's Holy Moment or Devil or someone.
It's a fun thought though. Phil Migliarese is coming to Tampa in September.

[preschol]

Question guys. I stopped reading a while ago. Are you still feeding into this troll?

Yes, of course. It is like a drug addiction. They know they are being played, yet they simply cannot put the pipe down.

I am close to my goal, so I am no longer designing posts to bait responses. We are getting into some good substance here, so I am going to stop trolling and start talking about real self defense oriented topics, especially for the older athlete.

Use Murphy as an example. He always focuses on substance, and deserves res[pect for doing so.

There is one thing true about all of us: We love martial arts. They are our passion. Every day of training is a blessing.

[Michael Tzadok]

This particular troll is constructed out of socks. I am pretty sure it's Holy Moment or Devil or someone.
It's a fun thought though. Phil Migliarese is coming to Tampa in September.

Find out who is upvoting his posts and you will probably find your answer. I'm not convinced. I still think if he is at all serious like he claims he ought to issue the challenge as a video. If he really did send Joe a kiddie porn link he ought to be banned and reported to the authorities. Those are my two cents.

[preschol]

I wanna make something perfectly clear. If you ever were to make good on your challenge,which you won't because you're a less athletic version of steve Bannon, I would take the shock knife away from you ,turn it sideways and shove it up your ass.

No, you would not.

I am older, and my body is compromised in many ways. However, my hand eye coordination and speed with a blade is still exceptional. When sparring I beat everyone, including my instructors who have decades of blade training.

I am exceptionally gifted in terms of genetics when it comes to knife fighting.

We all have our strong and weak points. My BJJ top game came very easily to me, but I was not made for the guard. I practice my guard more because it needs it.

Boxing came easily to me, but kicking did not. I devoted my self seriously to kicking and after years I got good.

We all have things we are gifted in, and things we are not.

I would venture that people on this board are/were naturally better than average than their training partners from day one.

With a blade, whether wood, rubber, steel or electricity I will cut you to pieces in a heartbeat. You will bleed out in under 30 seconds.

[BackFistMonkey]

I think we should start a go fund me to make this happen.

I remember from a long time ago on here when another troll called out, I think it was Phrost, and set up a throwdown at Sambo Steve's place in NYC. When the troll(s) didn't show, Sambo Steve gave all in attendance a Sambo Semminar. Maybe you make the locale Philly and have Ricky do the same thing? Just a thought.

Preschol isn't going to do or fight anything. He is already attempting to set up challenges in other peoples names and was doing the whole "you wanna fight (insert well known and/or respected person) cause (blah blah blah) ".

He is a mouth boxer. Nothing but talk, bluster, lies and bad data. An idiotic troll.

If you want a Throwdown that's easy and requires no faith in dipshits. Just hold a Throwdown or a SparrBQ.

[Raycetpfl]

It is not only the knees. Any time you go from standing to the mat you risk injury. In all the martial arts I have done, wrestling and Judo are far and away the most likely to cause injury, especially broken bones.

Yes, boxing/striking causes very severe damage to the brain, and pugilistyic dementia does not manifest itself until you are older, but for broken bones and hospital trips, wrestling and Judo are the leaders.

As I get older I modify my stand up grappling game. I don't go up against the young bucks heading towards a full ride. I use arm drags and set up whizzer throws. I go about half way into a whizzer throw because I don't want to injure my partner. I pretty much do not do all out takedowns any more. I work my sprawls and takedown defense.

I do a lot of Dumog and FMA/weapons based takedowns. I use a good amount of JJJ takedowns which are very similar to Gracie Combative takedowns.

Let me put it this way: I swore 5 years ago to stop stand up sparring (Boxing, kickboxing etc.). However, my ego kicks in and I still spar/strike against doctors order.

Sparring against a Golden Gloves boxer is less dangerous than wrestling.

My grappling system utilizes techniques that are designed for the average person, or the older athlete to use. I do not teach double legs because they require more athletic ability then your average person has.

When it comes to single legs, I emphasize set ups off striking that put you in a place where you can execute the takedown without being a world class athlete.

The head must always be on the inside, and I want you to always be able to turn the corner to finish.

I design takedowns so that your typical BJJ student, the non athlete can get the fight to the place where he/she can win, the ground.

You talk like someone who read the right answers or has listened to experts talk but doesn't actually know the material. It's just off.


Low amplitude Double legs are the easiest takedown to learn especially if you turn the corner and just drive thru the legs. There's really nothing to them. ....... but you said head on the inside so you can always turn the corner?

You talk about fighting the way virgins in Texas talk about sex with their Canadian model girl friends.