I am officially calling you out Rayce you coward.

[BKR]

It's a flying mare! Not Ippon Seio Nage

Which came first the Flying Mare, Jap Whizzer, or Ippon Seoi Nage?

Inquiring minds want to know...

You know, it would vastly improve the quality of this whole troll job would improve if the troller was more of a cosmopolitan grappler. And I don't mean a super model...

[BKR]

Dudes not horrible and says his style is Muay Thai and Bjj.

Weird he doesn't claim to be a folk wrestler.

I wasn't commenting on his technical ability, just showing up to a fight like that looking like a couch potato.

I mean, I know you don't have to be ripped like Arnold to be in great shape, but, please...

[Raycetpfl]

Now unless Rayce's teacher was happy with Rayce being an inferior black belt, my guess would be that Rayce is probably at roughly the same ability level.

I Am probably around Ricky's level when he competed here. This was around 8 years ago. Ricky is even better now. He's much better than me.

[Michael Tzadok]

I Am probably around Ricky's level when he competed here. This was around 8 years ago. Ricky is even better now. He's much better than me.

That is sorta the nature of things until age starts to slow you down too much.

[BKR]

If you like transitions, here is my old training partner and the person who gave me a Black Belt in JJJ (that I never wear).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qikOybOgQ

Great take-down defense and transitions, right here ! Must have been the hip toss to scarf hold that caught him by surprise.

[Raycetpfl]

Great take-down defense and transitions, right here ! Must have been the hip toss to scarf hold that caught him by surprise.

Chris Barrnett would compete in the novice division of grappling tournaments locally after he had like 5 pro fights. It was really annoying. They would claim it was OK because he is a kickboxer. He beat one of my students back then. Novice is for people with less than a year of training. I never understood the fighting below your skill level mentality of people.

[Pship Destroyer]

Novice is for people with less than a year of training. I never understood the fighting below your skill level mentality of people.

There was a study done on this exact subject.

[goodlun]

I don't know why someone would think they can "win" by trolling bullshido. All they really manage to accomplish is providing a distraction for people here.
No one over hear is actually getting offended.
Oh look at how I am a puppet master as I get people to comment on shit I said....yeah like that isn't why we are here in the 1st place.
Oh yeah you sure got the better of me by giving me something to do while I wait for vCenter to reload.
vCenter's SSO can go eat a dick by the way.

[GrouchyOldMan]

Oh yeah you sure got the better of me by giving me something to do while I wait for vCenter to reload.
vCenter's SSO can go eat a dick by the way.

I wish I could repeatedly upvote this!

[Holy Moment]

I never understood the fighting below your skill level mentality of people.

They want to win.

[preschol]

So, I take that you guys are willing to fight Jay? Shall I pass this info along?

Also, Jay illustrates my main point. BJJ champs generally do very poorly at real fighting. Jay was undefeated in NAGA (until I stopped prepping him) Jay beat everyone easily because there simpler are not very good athletes in BJJ. He was a grappling champion who transitioned to MMA. He mnoved out to team Quest and was mismanaged.
He lost fights not because of his grappling, it wa because when he got his bell wrung he would square up and start brawling.

That is boxing 101. When you get tagged you do one of two things: You either use the jab to get on your bike and move, or you clinch. If I were prepping him he would not make those mistakes. No one gave 2 shits about him.

Me on the other hand...sorry but my striking skill is better than Jays' and I have a granite chin. I had multiple compound fractures to the cheekbone and orbital socket and still submitted my opponent. The only time I have ever been knocked down was against a 250 lb pro.

You seem to think that being a grappling champ easily equates to being good at professional fighting. 99% of BJJ guys get punched in the face and quit. Unlike wrestlers, they come from a martial art where there is very little competition. All you need is money. It draws Trekkies and other geeks living in their parents basement. Most of them work in IT or other geek related fields that pay well. They can afford to pay $175 a month. Wrestling is free, boxing most of the time too.

With less than 3 months of BJJ I cleaned out the intermediate division. Won easily against Blue belts. Took them down at will, it was effortless. With one and a half years of BJJ I went 3 and 1 in the open division against purples and even a black. I lost in the finals to a Judoka even though I fought on a broken leg.

You are living in a fantasy world.

BJJ draws the bottom of the barrel in terms of athletic ability. Usually people that were cut from sports like baseball, football, basketball and wrestling. While Judo is a tough sport, it is weak here in the US. There are multiple guys fighting for a slot in wrestling. There are college scholarships. My son (9 years old) walks through the 8-13 year old kids BJJ class, he does not break a sweat. I do not force my son to compete, but he is 6 and 3 in wrestling. The competition is much, much tougher. There is absolutely no competition for him in BJJ. In the kids BJJ class everyone gets a prize just for showing up. That is because parents are shelling out big bucks for their son who gets his lunch money stolen by a wrestler every day at school. That is what makes BJJ great, someone with very little athletic ability can beat a bigger stronger person.

But when it comes to actually fighting people who are good at fighting, BJJ fails. Badly. This board has 1 MMA athlete? Despite Dana White, there is good money in MMA. Jay got $80 K a year in sponsorship money. We now have actual good athletes in MMA.

[preschol]

I don't know why someone would think they can "win" by trolling bullshido. All they really manage to accomplish is providing a distraction for people here.
No one over hear is actually getting offended.
Oh look at how I am a puppet master as I get people to comment on shit I said....yeah like that isn't why we are here in the 1st place.
Oh yeah you sure got the better of me by giving me something to do while I wait for vCenter to reload.
vCenter's SSO can go eat a dick by the way.

You need to step back and think for a moment: I did not make this thread. Back Fist Monkey made it. Not one syllable of the first post was written by me.
Butt Fuck Monkey was attempting to Troll me. I flipped the switch and trolled him back, and you guys all took the bait.

Look, I am really starting to feel bad for you guys. You were probably picked on at school, had your lunch money stolen and never kissed a girl until you were 30.

You found a sport where everyone is a winner, everyone can join if they have the money. BJJ is a place where a geek can learn to actually learn to defend his or her self. But don't start living in a fantasy world. You will never win against a superior athlete who can wrestle and strike. I train BJJ because I know that a fight can go everywhere, ground, feet, multiples etc. Especially as I get older.

If you do not have solid fundamentals on the ground you are not a complete fighter. But don't live in a fantasy world. You are not going to get a wrestler/striker to the ground unless you have help. You are going to walk into a real wrestling school or club and get taken down and you will not be able to take any of the wrestlers down. You are not going to hang with boxers/strikers who train in a real program.

[Bneterasedmynam]

They want to win.

Yup. It's the reason for all forms of cheating be it roids, bad call refs, or vaseline. The sad part is it's not really a victory if you have to stack the deck.

[GrouchyOldMan]

Which came first the Flying Mare, Jap Whizzer, or Ippon Seoi Nage?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Given how far the historical record suggests grappling reaches back in human history, they were probably all preceded by the megatherium sling. It was originally a technique used by prehistoric humans to defend against bipedal megafauna.

Grappling today is just for sport, and is nothing more than a watered down version of the original techniques, which were so deadly that it caused all of the Earth's megafauna to go extinct.

[preschol]

Look..... If I wanted to spend my time explaining the whole world to a dumb CUNT with mental problems I wouldn't have divorced my first wife.. go fuck yourself skilless hack.

YES...that is more like it! Embrace your hate....feel it grow inside you.