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    New for EBI in 2017 palm strikes

    https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/eddie-...striking-2017/



    I approve!

    #2
    That's fucking cool

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      #3
      Im not a fan. Whats stopping somone palm striking the other guy till he taps? Its no longer a jiujitsu comp at that stage.

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        #4
        Dan Severn loves raping people.

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          #5
          The more Jiu-Jitsu and submission grappling rulesets
          (especially with good prizes for the competitors)
          the better it is for Jiu-Jitsu and submission grappling.

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            #6
            Needs at least closed-fist punches to the body, preferably knees and elbows as well.

            Then you'll be going Pancrazy.
            Dan Severn loves raping people.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
              Im not a fan. Whats stopping somone palm striking the other guy till he taps? Its no longer a jiujitsu comp at that stage.
              It's not? Why?

              I disagree that adding striking makes it not BJJ. BJJ is supposed to be a self defense art in addition to a sport, proper BJJ training should involve strikes, IMO, and so competitions should add well, IMO.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                Im not a fan. Whats stopping somone palm striking the other guy till he taps? Its no longer a jiujitsu comp at that stage.
                So what if someone does? BJJ is ground fighting not just grappling.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tramirezmma View Post
                  It's not? Why?

                  I disagree that adding striking makes it not BJJ. BJJ is supposed to be a self defense art in addition to a sport, proper BJJ training should involve strikes, IMO, and so competitions should add well, IMO.
                  Judo is also a self defence art and sport. Would it be right to add striking to that? Or what about ground fighting to karate matches?

                  When you allow a form of attack that isnt part of the art per se (some places may teach you to defend strikes but wont really teach you to do them. Realistically though you bjj for grappling, if you wanna punch learn boxing) you'll find people will sometimes over emphasize this.

                  Eddie bravo said the palm strikes will open up new submissions. How can you create something from this unless of course he means something like you were going for an armbar but the guy is defending it so you slap him to loosen his grip.

                  If its the latter then then showing your jiujitsu skill is reduced. If something isnt working try something else. i compete jiujitsu to improve my jiujitsu and test my ability in that art.

                  Also whats the bet some development will go into how to slap from certain position ect (which once again trails away from the art).

                  This is my opinion though and eddie bravo can do what he likes. But the above is why i disagree with it.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                    Judo is also a self defence art and sport. Would it be right to add striking to that? Or what about ground fighting to karate matches?

                    When you allow a form of attack that isnt part of the art per se (some places may teach you to defend strikes but wont really teach you to do them. Realistically though you bjj for grappling, if you wanna punch learn boxing) you'll find people will sometimes over emphasize this.

                    Eddie bravo said the palm strikes will open up new submissions. How can you create something from this unless of course he means something like you were going for an armbar but the guy is defending it so you slap him to loosen his grip.

                    If its the latter then then showing your jiujitsu skill is reduced. If something isnt working try something else. i compete jiujitsu to improve my jiujitsu and test my ability in that art.

                    Also whats the bet some development will go into how to slap from certain position ect (which once again trails away from the art).

                    This is my opinion though and eddie bravo can do what he likes. But the above is why i disagree with it.






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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                        Im not a fan. Whats stopping somone palm striking the other guy till he taps? Its no longer a jiujitsu comp at that stage.
                        You have never taken my class on how the mount really works. :-p

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                          #13
                          Or what about ground fighting to karate matches?
                          Dan Severn loves raping people.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                            Eddie bravo said the palm strikes will open up new submissions. How can you create something from this unless of course he means something like you were going for an armbar but the guy is defending it so you slap him to loosen his grip.
                            If its the latter then then showing your jiujitsu skill is reduced. If something isnt working try something else. i compete jiujitsu to improve my jiujitsu and test my ability in that art.
                            Had a guy try to deliver 2 closed fist punches to the face last night in class because he couldn't lock in the arm bar and was frustrated that I was "using my strength instead of skill to defend." Well there was definitely skill in ducking the crown of my forehead into his oncoming fist which ended his punching attempts. In the end he never did sink said arm bar and moved on. Strikes won't weaken a concerted defense against a submission attempt. I really don't see how strikes will open up submissions, but if Eddie Bravo thinks so, I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.

                            Originally posted by Kravbizarre View Post
                            Also whats the bet some development will go into how to slap from certain position ect (which once again trails away from the art).
                            This is my opinion though and eddie bravo can do what he likes. But the above is why i disagree with it.
                            Quite possibly yes. People will always train and develop systems around rule sets. It wouldn't hurt BJJ to have some striking in the curriculum. Eddie Bravo and 10th Planet isn't, strictly speaking, the purest form of BJJ out there as is. Personally I'm all for a wait and see approach. Personally I don't think it's going to change much. Look at the UFC, short strikes with the hands(granted they can use closed fist because of the gloves) aren't used that much and aren't that effective on the ground unless someone gets the opportunity to really open up with some serious ground and pound.

                            We'll likely see the occasional knock out, but I don't think we are going to see a huge amount of striking, BJJ already is capable of shutting that down pretty well.

                            It's also possible that it will result in people being more conservative with what they do for not wanting to catch a stockton slap on the jaw. It would be kinda embarrassing to have to explain to your friends that you lost your BJJ match because you got slapped unconscious 5min into the second round.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                              Had a guy try to deliver 2 closed fist punches to the face last night in class because he couldn't lock in the arm bar and was frustrated that I was "using my strength instead of skill to defend." Well there was definitely skill in ducking the crown of my forehead into his oncoming fist which ended his punching attempts. In the end he never did sink said arm bar and moved on. Strikes won't weaken a concerted defense against a submission attempt. I really don't see how strikes will open up submissions, but if Eddie Bravo thinks so, I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.



                              Quite possibly yes. People will always train and develop systems around rule sets. It wouldn't hurt BJJ to have some striking in the curriculum. Eddie Bravo and 10th Planet isn't, strictly speaking, the purest form of BJJ out there as is. Personally I'm all for a wait and see approach. Personally I don't think it's going to change much. Look at the UFC, short strikes with the hands(granted they can use closed fist because of the gloves) aren't used that much and aren't that effective on the ground unless someone gets the opportunity to really open up with some serious ground and pound.

                              We'll likely see the occasional knock out, but I don't think we are going to see a huge amount of striking, BJJ already is capable of shutting that down pretty well.

                              It's also possible that it will result in people being more conservative with what they do for not wanting to catch a stockton slap on the jaw. It would be kinda embarrassing to have to explain to your friends that you lost your BJJ match because you got slapped unconscious 5min into the second round.
                              A palm strike is not a slap first off. And second strikes can most certainly open an opportunity for a submission. Using the crown of the head can have mixed results against closed fist strikes, but it's not really effective at stopping palm strikes.

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