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    Realistic self defence - what it would really be like and what it in practucally "is"


    #2
    but those <50 ppl are now the toughest creatures on earth, might be worth it lol

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      #3
      Your premise is severely flawed.

      You don't train by getting hit by sucker punches and nut shots.

      Real self defense is about risk management, self control and of course: fighting, clubbing, cutting and shooting people. That's it, mainly the first two. How far you want to go on those others is up to you.
      I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
      BILL HICKS,
      1961-1994

      "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
      ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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        #4
        Or you could get a job in security/bouncing. You would learn how to incorporate your sport based martial art into practical self defense. Plus you would make a little extra money instead of paying for classes.

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          #5
          Originally posted by rnc357 View Post
          Or you could get a job in security/bouncing. You would learn how to incorporate your sport based martial art into practical self defense. Plus you would make a little extra money instead of paying for classes.
          You are not practicing self defense in your example. You are choosing to actively increase your risk, thus blatantly seeking something other than safety or defense. Learning how to be a "badass" (in your own mind what ever that means to you) is not self defense, it is the opposite.

          You are an idiot if you think scrapping on the street or working security teaches you how to apply "sport techniques" on the "street".
          I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
          BILL HICKS,
          1961-1994

          "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
          ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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            #6
            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
            Your premise is severely flawed.
            Absolutely
            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
            You don't train by getting hit by sucker punches and nut shots.
            Not a good way to train. It is good, however, to know what it feels like to get smoked, in order to know how you will react.
            Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
            Real self defense is about risk management, self control and of course: fighting, clubbing, cutting and shooting people. That's it, mainly the first two. How far you want to go on those others is up to you.
            This is probably the best perspective I have ever viewed on this topic. Risk management being situational awareness, scanning for threats, then being able to prepare some sort of defense strategy even if it turns into seeking a getaway route.

            Originally posted by rnc357 View Post
            Or you could get a job in security/bouncing. You would learn how to incorporate your sport based martial art into practical self defense. Plus you would make a little extra money instead of paying for classes.
            With the presented circumstances, you would pay a lot more money for medical bills than you would ever make bouncing.
            I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

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              #7
              Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
              You are not practicing self defense in your example. You are choosing to actively increase your risk, thus blatantly seeking something other than safety or defense. Learning how to be a "badass" (in your own mind what ever that means to you) is not self defense, it is the opposite.

              You are an idiot if you think scrapping on the street or working security teaches you how to apply "sport techniques" on the "street".
              Oh I don't know, I've learned a lot about self defense and how to apply sport based techniques in certain circumstanstes. YMMV. You done a lot of security work have you?

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                #8
                Originally posted by slamdunc View Post

                With the presented circumstances, you would pay a lot more money for medical bills than you would ever make bouncing.
                I have paid a lot in medical bills. Have injuries that will last a lifetime. Going in for surgery on my arm tommarow. But I figure I'm still ahead financially. I have also had my share of injuries Powerlifting and training in the martial arts and that hasn't made me any money. I'm pretty sure if I would have stuck to swimming and not worked bouncing jobs, practiced martial arts or competed in powerlifting I would be in a lot better shape today, but what fun would that be.LOL.
                Last edited by rnc357; 6/30/2016 8:19pm, .

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by rnc357 View Post
                  Oh I don't know, I've learned a lot about self defense and how to apply sport based techniques in certain circumstanstes. YMMV. You done a lot of security work have you?
                  You have learned a lot about security. Not self defense. I am sure some of that translates to the mean streets of reality and self defense but let's not get things twisted, purposely putting yourself in any sort of danger for a paycheck is not self defense. Especially most "security" jobs, but you're different and actually do "r34l" security, right? Nonstop action with shootouts and knife fights and fast cars and drunk guys not on the list trying to get an autograph?
                  I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                  BILL HICKS,
                  1961-1994

                  "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                  ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                    You have learned a lot about security. Not self defense.
                    actually I've learned a lot about both. But yeah, more about security than defense. Also I understand the OP is a joke, but actually working in the industry teaches you a lot more about self defense than any so called self defense class ever could.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rnc357 View Post
                      actually I've learned a lot about both. But yeah, more about security than defense. Also I understand the OP is a joke, but actually working in the industry teaches you a lot more about self defense than any so called self defense class ever could.
                      Using common sense and avoiding: conflict, danger and risk will keep you safer than any amount of: security work, self defense classes, combat sport, knife/blade based MA, or taticool shooting or CCW will.

                      Self Defense is again, all about Risk Management and Self Control. You can attempt to spin it anyway you want but that's the main component. All the physical stuff is secondary... way secondary ... and basically useless if you are actually worried and concerned about "self defense".

                      No one likes to be fooled especially when they have so much time and money invested in something. Sunk Cost fallacy is a killer when it comes to rational thought.
                      I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                      BILL HICKS,
                      1961-1994

                      "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                      ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                        #12
                        Some Real Self Defense(tm)

                        http://www.krem.com/news/local/portl...uder/257211049
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

                        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                        "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BKR View Post
                          No, that is actively engaging in high risk behavior. When you come home to an intruder you do not re-enter or seek to confront the perpetrator in the home.
                          ... plus ...
                          The investigation, which is ongoing, will determine whether she acted in self defense and if she'll face charges.
                          Now she maybe responsible for his death and the situation is COMPLETELY out of her hand unless she has a good legal team.

                          Very bad risk management and terrible long and short term planning.
                          I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                          BILL HICKS,
                          1961-1994

                          "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                          ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                            #14
                            My new policy is just shoot everyone that creeps me out. I carry a bunch or Qurans and skate boards with me to leave on the "attacker's" body. I figure those two things together will ensure the investigation leads them to believe the "attacker" was into radical Islam.
                            The Caucasian always has stronger strength and when comes to grappling, Caucasians mostly win easily. I do know grappling and if I used it on Asians my size, it works. - Kung Fu dude that got waxed at OneFc try out.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                              My new policy is just shoot everyone that creeps me out. I carry a bunch or Qurans and skate boards with me to leave on the "attacker's" body. I figure those two things together will ensure the investigation leads them to believe the "attacker" was into radical Islam.
                              My new policy is to stop sending Rayce suggestive emails and photos.
                              I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                              BILL HICKS,
                              1961-1994

                              "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                              ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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