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    Orlando Pulse Shooting - Armory forum break-off

    Originally posted by NYT
    Law enforcement authorities said that Mr. Mateen, wielding an assault rifle and a pistol, stormed the club and called 911 from inside to declare his allegiance to the Islamic State, the brutal group that has taken over parts of Syria, Iraq and Libya. Mr. Mateen had been investigated in the past for possible terrorist ties, but the F.B.I. ultimately found no evidence. Still, he was believed to be on at least one watch list.
    ...
    Law enforcement officials said the suspect in the attack on an Orlando nightclub on Sunday had been monitored for possible terrorist ties, but was still legally able to buy guns.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us...-shooting.html

    Huh, an actual terrorist attack?

    So, Brady bill failed. "Watch lists," failed. If anything, this incident tells me that we need to be better armed (and trained).
    Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

    #2
    Originally posted by submessenger View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us...-shooting.html

    Huh, an actual terrorist attack?

    So, Brady bill failed. "Watch lists," failed. If anything, this incident tells me that we need to be better armed (and trained).
    DAESH has been encouraging Lone Wolf style attacks in the U.S. for years now. Whether this particular coward drew inspiration from that or was simply using that as an excuse to kill a bunch of people who didn't fit his idea of 'right' remains to be seen. It has been stated by right wing news sources that his father may also espouse a radical ideology as well, though I haven't seen the proof.
    "No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal

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      #3
      I don't have the money nor the time to engage in a Small Arms Race.
      Dead serious here.
      Most Americans don't have the time or resources to focus on gun ownership and training.
      I really don't think a person in a modern civilized society needs to walk around prepared for shoot outs on the streets.

      But besides that we can't seem to: teach our children math, history or geography, successfully dig up two people to run for President who aren't embarrassments, nor be self-aware enough to realize that guardian angels and psychics and prayer are bullshit... I have this idea that more guns, more ammo, and more training are just going to benefit the people involved with gun sales.

      Not actually help or solve any gun violence issues.
      I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
      BILL HICKS,
      1961-1994

      "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
      ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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        #4
        Originally posted by Cassius View Post
        DAESH has been encouraging Lone Wolf style attacks in the U.S. for years now. Whether this particular coward drew inspiration from that or was simply using that as an excuse to kill a bunch of people who didn't fit his idea of 'right' remains to be seen. It has been stated by right wing news sources that his father may also espouse a radical ideology as well, though I haven't seen the proof.
        CNN says, according to his ex-wife, that he was mentally unstable though not diagnosed or in treatment (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orl...club-shooting/).

        I'm generally not the guy to say "there should be a law," but something akin to a Myers Briggs test seems like a good start to weed out undesirables. Brady checks are basically worthless, because they rely on prior convictions/indictments. Further, when speaking of the cases that actually DO get denied on Brady checks:
        Originally posted by WP
        virtually all of these cases were declined by ATF field offices.
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cd5b_blog.html
        Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Cassius View Post
          It has been stated by right wing news sources that his father may also espouse a radical ideology as well, though I haven't seen the proof.
          This might be what is being referred to:
          Originally posted by CBS
          He then adds: "God will punish those involved in homosexuality," saying it's, "not an issue that humans should deal with."
          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-...d-punish-gays/
          Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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            #6
            Originally posted by submessenger View Post
            ...but something akin to a Myers Briggs test seems like a good start to weed out undesirables.
            Elaborate on what you mean by this, please.
            HTFU and join Bullshido on Fitocracy!
            https://www.fitocracy.com/group/2988/

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              #7
              Oh, another terrorist attack? I guess it's time for me to do my usual pulse check again to see if the country is ready to be serious about solving the problem here..........nope, not yet. I guess it'll take some more terrorist attacks. Maybe one more. Maybe a hundred more. Maybe we'll never be ready as a country until it's too late. Maybe it's better to just start brushing up on our verses from the Quran.

              There is only one way to deal with this effectively. We have to realize this is a holy war, period. We don't get to choose whether we want to have one. We only get to choose whether we're committed to winning. There is no such thing as radical Islam. It's all radical. Muslims are our enemy. We need to root them out everywhere they are on this planet, especially on our own soil.

              The old, idealistic way isn't going to work with these people. Total freedom of religion is a hindrance to the survival of all American non-Muslims. We have to adapt to the reality we find ourselves in. Islam should be banned as a religion. People of Arab descent should be treated with scrutiny. That's reality. You don't have to like it, but if you don't recognize the truth in that statement, you've still got your head up your ass. I'll check in with you again after the next terrorist attack.

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                #8
                Also, there is possibly a silver lining in this attack and others like it. These attacks are our best hope at having the people of this country wake the fuck up. We need to have anger and hatred and fucking fire in our hearts. We need to hate our enemy and be as committed to killing them as they are to killing us. These attacks and others like it can stoke that fire.

                Our biggest threat, much more dangerous than immediate warfare is incrementalism. If this country maintains it's weak, pussy ass, PC attitude we're going to let Muslims engrain themselves deeper into our society because we don't have the nutsack to say no. And the more power they get, the more all non-Muslims will be fucked in the ass. Once they start gaining power from within they will not stop until our country is a Muslim nation with full Sharia law in place.

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                  #9
                  Spotted the Trump voter.

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                    #10
                    You sound absolutely terrified Devil.
                    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                    BILL HICKS,
                    1961-1994

                    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                    ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by money View Post
                      Elaborate on what you mean by this, please.
                      Myers Briggs may not be the best tool. My possibly myopic view is that there would be a personality test that would - in broad strokes - indicate if somebody was more or less likely to be part of a classification that could be assigned to "unstable," or "psychopathic," or any undesirable trait. To bastardize the global warming debate, there is a consensus that mass shooters suffer from some psychology that is different from the norm - whether that's because of physical (e.g. chemical imbalances) or social (e.g. education, religion, brainwashing) reasons is irrelevant. We don't test for that, currently. We test for whether or not the person has a criminal background.
                      Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
                        You sound absolutely terrified Devil.
                        I'm afraid in the same way I would be afraid of a rattlesnake before I chopped its head off. There is nothing to fear here except the inaction of our own weak people.

                        Everyone out there who acts like they can go on with their lives as if nothing is happening because "we will not be terrorized" are fucking delusional. You will feel fear and recognize the threat and kill it, or you will perish.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                          Spotted the Trump voter.
                          Well I'm sure as fuck not voting for that other cunt.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Devil View Post
                            I'm afraid in the same way I would be afraid of a rattlesnake before I chopped its head off. There is nothing to fear here except the inaction of our own weak people.

                            Everyone out there who acts like they can go on with their lives as if nothing is happening because "we will not be terrorized" are fucking delusional. You will feel fear and recognize the threat and kill it, or you will perish.
                            I think you greatly over estimate the threat of America becoming a muslim nation ruled by Sharia Law.

                            Religious extremists are poison. As long as we tolerate these fucking whack jobs and pretend like Sky Wizards and that belief in them is normal... sorry man... you are going to get whack jobs. Trust me psychotic and sociopathic peoples of all and no religions scare the shit out of me every day. The whole ignorant approach of kill them all and stomp them out never sets well with me.

                            You don't defeat an ideology with brute force because you can't beat an ideology with brute force.
                            I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
                            BILL HICKS,
                            1961-1994

                            "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
                            ---Jean-Paul Sartre

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                              #15
                              Coming soon: Executive Order 9066 - 2.0

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