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  • Dr. Gonzo
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Can I just choose to fight with the black belts in usa judo tournaments? That's awesome if so.
    Try a Freestyle Judo tournament or a Sambo tournament.
    Also, if you are as good as you say you are with takedowns in a Gi,
    I would be surprised if after assessing your ability if a Judo coach would not suggest a validation of rank or other promotion up to a middle belt grade to enter you in a tournament at,
    so you did not just plow through the Judo white belts unfairly.
    Back in 1991, as a wrestler with 6 years of competition experience, my Judo coach entered me in Judo tournaments as a brown belt.
    I did very well competing in Judo as a brown belt.
    But there was a HUGE difference between the black belt division and the brown belt division.
    (Against Judo black belts, even after I had a few years of training Judo, I frequently got tossed high in the air, and hard on to my back).
    If it goes to the ground, your groundwork background will help you if you have a game that works within the Judo rules.
    But if you want to throw in a Gi against Judo black belts your own age and weight,
    Especially under IJF style rules,
    You would be better served training in real Judo for 3-5 years consistently to get there.
    Last edited by Dr. Gonzo; 5/31/2016 3:14pm, .

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by Devil View Post
    He didn't specialize too early. He should be all set for the Olympics.
    Not true Devil. I have been wreckin' bitches since day one.

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    It would depend on the tournament. I THINK there is still a joint sanctioning agreement in place. So for local and regional tournaments, you could joint USA Judo, United States Judo Federation, or United States Judo Association.

    It used to be that you had to be a member of USA Judo (the NGB) to compete at "point, or qualification tournaments, or national championships, et al.

    Neil is Canadian, LOl...

    No, you can't just choose to fight with black belts. Technically, you are a white belt in Judo, and a judo black belt would have to sign off on you (there is a special form for it) to compete at all.

    It would be like me showing up at an IBJJF tournament with my Judo black belt and just signing up to fight in the black belt divisions, or whatever they are called. Would be a no-go, right ?

    So it's a bit more complicated. The USJA used to have a set up to where you could go and get tested by a certified rank examiner up to a certain belt based on your skill level. That might work to get some official judo rank.

    I don't doubt your ability, however, you would want to train some at Judo specifically to get used to the rules. If you had to fight in a white belt or other beginner division, you might well not be allowed to do submissions (chokes and armbars). Which would be fair, I would think, to the other essentially noobish competitors. So it might take you a bit of time to get moved up to more experienced level of competition.

    Which probably makes it not worth your time...
    I really am interested in learning Judo for Judo's sake. I'm also interested in winning tournaments in the IBJJF and Judo tournaments for that matter. I certainly have lots of room for improvement in my stand up grappling that's for sure. I watch the Olympic team guys and girls in awe...... unless they are trying to pass guard..... then I giggle to myself. :-p

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  • Devil
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    I doubt you ever trained with high level judo guys, as there are not that many in the USA. And by high level, I mean your age and at the peak of their game. Well, I guess most would be younger than you, as you are a bit long in the tooth for true elite level judo competition.
    He didn't specialize too early. He should be all set for the Olympics.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I have solid stand up grappling. I can hang with D1 guys,we will go back and forth. I don't know if I have ever trained with high level Judo guys? The guys who I have trained that claimed to be Judo black belts I threw around. They were not high level players and didn't claim to be. Either way there is a place not far from my new house that has classes and a pretty high ranking guy runs it.
    I have to take dancing lessons for my upcoming wedding but after that I am gonna take judo.
    I doubt you ever trained with high level judo guys, as there are not that many in the USA. And by high level, I mean your age and at the peak of their game. Well, I guess most would be younger than you, as you are a bit long in the tooth for true elite level judo competition.

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  • Devil
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I have to take dancing lessons for my upcoming wedding
    What the fuck am I reading?

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  • DCS
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I have to take dancing lessons for my upcoming wedding but after that I am gonna take judo.
    You can pull guard at the wedding and save the money for Judo lessons.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Can I just choose to fight with the black belts in usa judo tournaments? That's awesome if so.
    It would depend on the tournament. I THINK there is still a joint sanctioning agreement in place. So for local and regional tournaments, you could joint USA Judo, United States Judo Federation, or United States Judo Association.

    It used to be that you had to be a member of USA Judo (the NGB) to compete at "point, or qualification tournaments, or national championships, et al.

    Neil is Canadian, LOl...

    No, you can't just choose to fight with black belts. Technically, you are a white belt in Judo, and a judo black belt would have to sign off on you (there is a special form for it) to compete at all.

    It would be like me showing up at an IBJJF tournament with my Judo black belt and just signing up to fight in the black belt divisions, or whatever they are called. Would be a no-go, right ?

    So it's a bit more complicated. The USJA used to have a set up to where you could go and get tested by a certified rank examiner up to a certain belt based on your skill level. That might work to get some official judo rank.

    I don't doubt your ability, however, you would want to train some at Judo specifically to get used to the rules. If you had to fight in a white belt or other beginner division, you might well not be allowed to do submissions (chokes and armbars). Which would be fair, I would think, to the other essentially noobish competitors. So it might take you a bit of time to get moved up to more experienced level of competition.

    Which probably makes it not worth your time...

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  • Ming Loyalist
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I have to take dancing lessons for my upcoming wedding but after that I am gonna take judo.
    just take judo lessons instead of dancing, no one will know the difference, but your dancing partners will keep falling down for some reason.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    ok wait a second, i thought that during the controversy over the saudi woman wearing a black belt at the olympics that it came up that several competitors were still brown belts (ikkyu) due to age restrictions but were allowed to wear black belts at international IJF events (and the olympics.)
    I have no effing idea... I tried to look up requirements for WC (senior) and Olympics as far as rank goes, and didn't make any progress. It would be under tournament guidelines on the IJF website, but I'm too busy to mess with it. Lunch finally arrived...

    Blue belt is nikyu, so really, a brown belt traditionally.

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by NeilG View Post
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    Coming in without rank you might have problems anyway. Maybe someone could assign you a kyu rank for purposes of letting you compete: not sure about the rules in the USA but around here they are the dojo's responsibility. Some tournaments will restrict subs by rank, for example if you are orange or lower you can neither choke someone nor be choked. Those sorts of rules would tend to cramp a BJJ guy's style for sure.
    I have solid stand up grappling. I can hang with D1 guys,we will go back and forth. I don't know if I have ever trained with high level Judo guys? The guys who I have trained that claimed to be Judo black belts I threw around. They were not high level players and didn't claim to be. Either way there is a place not far from my new house that has classes and a pretty high ranking guy runs it.
    I have to take dancing lessons for my upcoming wedding but after that I am gonna take judo.
    Last edited by Raycetpfl; 5/31/2016 2:06pm, .

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  • NeilG
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Can I just choose to fight with the black belts in usa judo tournaments? That's awesome if so.
    Really depends on the tournament. Some tournaments they don't split by rank, so you get all ranks fighting together. Others they will divide, usually just into two divisions. Not sure you really want to fight the black belts unless you have a lot of stand-up practice: you're going to have a very short day.

    Coming in without rank you might have problems anyway. Maybe someone could assign you a kyu rank for purposes of letting you compete: not sure about the rules in the USA but around here they are the dojo's responsibility. Some tournaments will restrict subs by rank, for example if you are orange or lower you can neither choke someone nor be choked. Those sorts of rules would tend to cramp a BJJ guy's style for sure.

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  • Ming Loyalist
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Can I just choose to fight with the black belts in usa judo tournaments? That's awesome if so.
    i think you need to be a member of USA judo (no rank requirement for that) and you need a black belt to vouch for your skill level, at least at our local tournaments it seems to work that way (substitute USJF for USA judo.)

    they could make it more of a PITA for USA judo events though.

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by NeilG View Post
    Of course, but what I am saying is that there isn't a rank requirement per se. It's not a "black belt" tournament. Buddha is not going to have to provide Daniel-san with a belt.
    Can I just choose to fight with the black belts in usa judo tournaments? That's awesome if so.

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  • NeilG
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    Originally posted by BKR View Post
    The Saudi woman was an anomaly. Anybody who makes it to WC or Olympics is going to be a black belt in Judo. Quite a few cadets and many juniors compete as black belts already.
    Of course, but what I am saying is that there isn't a rank requirement per se. It's not a "black belt" tournament. Buddha is not going to have to provide Daniel-san with a belt.

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