Five Hard Truths about Martial Arts that you don’t want to believe.

[ViolentTendency]

Ok thanks for sharing (FRAT)

What were we talking about?

I don't know what you mean my "FRAT" but what I was talking about was that all you need to do is look around you to see that that 0.32% shit is bullshit.

[ViolentTendency]

Your chance of being in a car accident goes up if you drive on the wrong side of the road with your lights off.

This sentence in particular... We have already established you are the kind of guy that calls a motorcycle club a "biker gang" yet have never known or rode with any. Mile in my shoes, son. You're preaching rhetoric from an established point of view, to someone who learned their alphabet starting with "ACAB". I, like you, grew up with very solid rhetoric and a dogmatic POV. Unlike you, people on my side of the coin have learned to see what is for what it is with an open mind. Maybe you could give that a try?

[PDA]

It's alluded to in some of my other posts. Also, I didn't spell it wrong I declined it wrong. My bad.

EDIT: Submessenger just to make sure I'm not coming across as an asshole.

Umm I think that ship may have sailed already.
Yep According to my watch it's a quarter passed looking like an asshole.

But the good news is that you are in company.

Welcome to Bullshido.

[PDA]

Right, anyway - Submessenger where are you from? We can maybe look to do a throwdown. Rules I require are it doesn't end until BOTH parties say so. So either you, or me, might be asking for it to stop... But it doesn't end until the other guy says so too. It's the way we do things. Mainly because we don't breed geldings. PM me to tee things up.

You are our Christmas present from the internet .

[ViolentTendency]

You are our Christmas present from the internet .

In that case Happy Holidays.

I've been here a little while. I thought this would be a place to find like minds, to be honest.

[PDA]

In that case Happy Holidays.

I've been here a little while. I thought this would be a place to find like minds, to be honest.

And you will.

This place is a constant stream of people like you.

Have you ever been in a death match?

[ViolentTendency]

Umm I think that ship may have sailed already.
Yep According to my watch it's a quarter passed looking like an asshole.

But the good news is that you are in company.

Welcome to Bullshido.

Yes, I am in company. I got my top rocker in 1982 and still have never lost it... So I consider myself, always, in good company. I did think, however, that I'd be in good company here at Bullshido. Similar values in certain ways, and all that.

[ViolentTendency]

And you will.

This place is a constant stream of people like you.

Have you ever been in a death match?

What? No.

[ViolentTendency]

And you will.

This place is a constant stream of people like you.

Have you ever been in a death match?

You're trying to make something stupid out of something serious here, lad. I'm just stipulating clubhouse rules. I've never seen anyone die under this ruleset. Ever. Even in my own experience, the worst stuff I've ever been accused of doing to a man. Never sticked. Must not have happened then, am I right? Of course I am.


You wanna say MCs don't do that kinda thing because you can't believe it, fine. It's all a myth. But then, how does that sit with your claim we're some kind of organized criminal gangs...? I dunno. PM, have a talk. Let me know your general area, and we'll arrange yourself a visit.

[PDA]

What? No.

Pit fight?

[PDA]

You're trying to make something stupid out of something serious here, lad. I'm just stipulating clubhouse rules. I've never seen anyone die under this ruleset. Ever. Even in my own experience, the worst stuff I've ever been accused of doing to a man. Never sticked. Must not have happened then, am I right? Of course I am.


You wanna say MCs don't do that kinda thing because you can't believe it, fine. It's all a myth. But then, how does that sit with your claim we're some kind of organized criminal gangs...? I dunno. PM, have a talk. Let me know your general area, and we'll arrange yourself a visit.

Take the chip off your shoulder .

As I said in response to your pm , nobody gives a shit about your background and it's you that keeps bringing it up .

It doesn't make you special .

The only thing that gave you any credibility in my eyes was when you said you are a blue belt.

You know absolutely nothing about what I know or do not know about MC.

[ViolentTendency]

Take the chip off your shoulder .

As I said in response to your pm , nobody gives a shit about your background and it's you that keeps bringing it up .

It doesn't make you special .

The only thing that gave you any credibility in my eyes was when you said you are a blue belt.

You know absolutely nothing about what I know or do not know about MC.

I never said anything made me special. Everything I've said is sim,ply the way I have lived my life. I'm not going to publically represent anything, but when you claim to know more about me than MCs how long have you been a full member? I've stated, although I will not state my club as I am not here representing them - you can learn more about this if you want very easily though - that I have been a full member since 1982. PM me, at least, how long you have held your full patch. My sons, and two grandsons are members. The sole reason I bring up anything about this background, is because people like you, here, are saying stupid shit when I am talking about the way violence is in real life. I'm an old man, ya know. And I get not everyone lives this lifestyle, so I mention it out of relevance because some people don't get it otherwise.

You can comb my posts. I don't glamorize it, in any way. I am proud of my sons and grandsons for stepping up, but I'd have been as proud if not more so if they'd have taken another road. I'm not trying to big myself up here. I'm just trying to talk about the realities of this stuff, and where we got to this was me talking about the addictive nature of violence. I noticed nobody denies that.

[Aka-Tora]

I have been involved (allegedly) in hundreds of violent crimes, on both sides of the coin. That doesn't sound like a 0.32% chance to me.

Violence is a fascinating creature in a lot of ways. People say stupid things like "violence never solves anything" for example, but the whole fuckin reason people keep using it is because it literally solves everything. Even the way the State deals with the problem of individuals using violence to solve their own problems, is through violence by proxy or the threat of greater violence. Who has the bigger stick and all of that.

Beyond that, violence is also addictive as fuck. It feels very, very good... Well, when you're on the giving end. Not always so much on the receiving end. There is a moment, I am sure many others here know what I am talking about, when you are really beating someone good and they hit this point where their whole body relaxes, they stop trying to protect themselves or defend themselves at all... Just go kind of limp and their eyes zone out like they're on drugs or something. It's like a thousand yard stare. I know that look, I've felt what it's like to be in that state as well as put someone else into it. When you are the one doing it, it's a Godlike feeling. Your enemy is totally and entirely beaten. You have broken him. They have completely given up, and stopped caring. Nothing else on earth can give you that feeling, and it's incredibly empowering.

For myself, I kept finding myself with enough time on my hands to quietly reflect on some of my choices in life, and ended up seeking out martial arts as a way to positively express myself and seek at least a diluted form of this rush. Some of it is in your own mindset and attitude, too, I think. A man taps, he's submitted to you... You've achieved the same complete and total victory only you've done it in a positive manner that's not victimizing your fellow man. Outside of certain other bonds, some of my closest and most loyal friends have come through martial arts. Anyway, so like I say I went in a positive direction in the end with this, but I know the taste of that "high" intimately and I know there are so many people walking around all around us who want nothing more than to chase it. We're a predatory species at heart, when we let ourselves devolve into a more animalistic state of mind.

Some people will use violence to get something from you. Sometimes, the thing they want from you is simply the rush of breaking you. Homo homine lupus est.

If tapping someone gives you the illusion that you've "broken" them then I don't know what to tell you. I personally don't think you will find much solace in all the alpha male bullshit as it's not a particularly logical or healthy mindset but whatever floats your boat.

For me martial arts is something I practice for a variety of reasons. I enjoy the sense of contact and the technical aspects alongside the potential it has for fighting but I'm not one to enjoy badly hurting people. I can't speak for everyone here but I don't think breaking people is the motivation for quite a few other posters here either.

While I must admit that I find your attempts at a wider political/philosophical analysis of violence amusing, the content is quite tedious and I've heard it all before. I for one don't know how you could reasonably look at the world as it is now and say that violence solves everything, even if you believe it has its place politically, as the ghosts of the past say otherwise.

Long story short, if the idea that you are breaking people through success in a sport contains the fire of your quite obvious insecurity then at least the law has less to worry about in terms of its time being wasted, a small victory I guess.

[PDA]

I guess this would be a good time to talk about my underground motorcycle club pit fighting days.

Its just a real shame I took that damn oaf of silence to my Sensai.

But if I could talk about it rest assured you guys would be pretty damn impressed!

[submessenger]

It's alluded to in some of my other posts. Also, I didn't spell it wrong I declined it wrong. My bad.

EDIT: Submessenger just to make sure I'm not coming across as an asshole. I have lived my entire life in the "1%" of people who live by different norms than regular society. It's simply the way it is. I make no apologies for it, no concessions for it, and see nothing wrong with it. I have never seen any valid critic with any valid connection or membership within any legitimate club, so anything bad you've heard probably isn't true. It's a good community but it does require that you hold your own. Now, you'll call me a liar, and I can provide conviction records going back to juvenile offences in the 1970s, but honestly I don't care that much.

Also, I am sure that on a site like this I must be far from the only one to have done time. We all make youthful indiscretions. Fights happen constantly inside.

Damnit I don't know how to multiquote??

Right, anyway - Submessenger where are you from? We can maybe look to do a throwdown. Rules I require are it doesn't end until BOTH parties say so. So either you, or me, might be asking for it to stop... But it doesn't end until the other guy says so too. It's the way we do things. Mainly because we don't breed geldings. PM me to tee things up.

I merely asked for you to relate some stories of your "youthful indiscretions." You jump right to a gong sau? WTF is wrong with you, man?