Five Hard Truths about Martial Arts that you don’t want to believe.

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Good strong style. I started with that

You won't find a lot of fans of it on Bullshido. It isn't the most "alive" style in the karate world and tends to concentrate on point scoring and kata rather than alive sparring.

I just do it for fun

[Ridgway]

This is true but it's a good place to start. To get your feet wet so to say.

[PDA]

This is true but it's a good place to start. To get your feet wet so to say.

People on this site have a simple equation to work out if a style is effective or not :

Is it BJJ? if Yes = its effective
if No = Bullshit

Most if not all would get slapped up in a street fight and especially against a well trained traditional martial artist as has been shown before when they have tried.

UFC 1 Koolaid still killing people in 2016

[Ridgway]

I find that very narrow minded but that's just my opinion.

[PDA]

I find that very narrow minded but that's just my opinion.

Fat people generally are.

[Ridgway]

I don't understand why that is.

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Ridgway - I think you are missing the point of what Bullshido is about. If people are going to pretend that their martial art is effective then the ethos of this site is toprove it. There is a lot of bollocks in the martial arts about what is effective with no real evidence (e.g fighting against a fully resisting opponent).

This site views certain martial arts as being effective due to the alive manner in which they train. For example BJJ, Boxing, Judo, Muay Thai.

It doesn't mean to say that people from other martial arts (such as aikido/shotokan) don't post here but if they start talking a load of crap about how deadly their martial art/instructor are they will get flamed or invited to turn up to a throwdown and prove it.

The reference to fat people is around some martial arts have a large number of over weight and unfit practitioners (such as aikido/ninjutsu) who are deluding themselves that their art is so deadly they can beat fit practitioners of other arts who train in an alive manner.

Not sure if I have missed anything. Feel free to chime in if I have.

[PDA]

Ridgway - I think you are missing the point of what Bullshido is about. If people are going to pretend that their martial art is effective then the ethos of this site is toprove it. There is a lot of bollocks in the martial arts about what is effective with no real evidence (e.g fighting against a fully resisting opponent).

This site views certain martial arts as being effective due to the alive manner in which they train. For example BJJ, Boxing, Judo, Muay Thai.

It doesn't mean to say that people from other martial arts (such as aikido/shotokan) don't post here but if they start talking a load of crap about how deadly their martial art/instructor are they will get flamed or invited to turn up to a throwdown and prove it.

The reference to fat people is around some martial arts have a large number of over weight and unfit practitioners (such as aikido/ninjutsu) who are deluding themselves that their art is so deadly they can beat fit practitioners of other arts who train in an alive manner.

Not sure if I have missed anything. Feel free to chime in if I have.

This is a narrow minded point of view.
For example Kata contains many useful tools for defending yourself yet it is not sparring.
What about pressure points? how can you practice some of those techniques full blast without seriously hurting yourself or somebody so you use dummies.

The reference to fat people I made was in regard to the fat basement dwellers who sit at their keyboard pointing at things like Kata and pressure points and saying "yeah but Royce Gracie blah blah blah more cake" without ever training the techniques and attempting to apply them.

[goodlun]

The open\closed mind doesn't mean shit. I find people with an "open" mind or claim to have an open mind are just as intellectually dishonest as those with a "closed" mind.
The question is are you going to be intellectually honest or not.
Are you actually going to listen to the evidence and process it honestly?
That is all that matters.

People on this site have a simple equation to work out if a style is effective or not :

Is it BJJ? if Yes = its effective
if No = Bullshit

You are being very dishonest right now. You know that is not the measure of effective or not on this site.
Yes BJJ is considered effective so are a large VERY large number of other arts.

You might have a point if you said does your art work in MMA. As a measuring stick. Even that isn't the only measuring stick.

[Devil]

This is a narrow minded point of view.
For example Kata contains many useful tools for defending yourself yet it is not sparring.
What about pressure points? how can you practice some of those techniques full blast without seriously hurting yourself or somebody so you use dummies.

The reference to fat people I made was in regard to the fat basement dwellers who sit at their keyboard pointing at things like Kata and pressure points and saying "yeah but Royce Gracie blah blah blah more cake" without ever training the techniques and attempting to apply them.

Kata is a fucking enormous waste of time. I spent way too much time with that bullshit. I'm not going to say it does NOTHING for your fighting. I mean, taking a walk after dinner every night does SOMETHING for your fighting.

But for sure, if you're spending training time working on kata, you're forgoing the opportunity to participate in other training that will do much, much more to improve your abilities as a martial artist. Kata is an extremely inefficient and unproductive method of training to fight.

[DCS]

Kata is an extremely inefficient and unproductive method of training to fight.

Bullshit!!!

If you do kata, for instance Karate kata, you learn Karate and Judo and Jits and Sambo and Sumo and Suai Jiao and Wrestling and even Aikido.

Kata is the most efficient and productive training method ever.

[goodlun]

Kata is a fucking enormous waste of time. I spent way too much time with that bullshit. I'm not going to say it does NOTHING for your fighting. I mean, taking a walk after dinner every night does SOMETHING for your fighting.

But for sure, if you're spending training time working on kata, you're forgoing the opportunity to participate in other training that will do much, much more to improve your abilities as a martial artist. Kata is an extremely inefficient and unproductive method of training to fight.

I think the "Kata" discussion is interesting, because every art including Boxing and BJJ have some form of "kata" I mean we don't call doing line drills, Stability ball work, technique drilling, throwing dummy drilling, CTX drilling, Shadow Boxing "Kata", but that is what those things are, they serve a purpose. I think the key thing here that alive arts know is that you cannot JUST do these things and hope to be any good. You can do the Judo/BJJ warm up every day 8 times a day, followed up by compliant technique drilling for 10 years, and sure you will be a bit better prepared for a fight than the guy that does nothing, but you are going to get your ass handed to you by hell I would say a white belt that has been training properly for 6 months.

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And another thing....

Open/closed mind. Having an open mind on martial arts equates to understanding what and how you train and being honest about it. I train shotokan (as mentioned). I am completely open to it not being an effective form of fighting - as Devil mentioned - kata for fighting is a waste of time. I train for fun.

A closed mind is pretending to "respect" or "keep an open mind" on other martial arts and views stated by practitioners/masters who either practice ineffective martial arts, are fat/unfit and quite obviously talking shit (normally about how deadly they/their art are)

[PDA]

The open\closed mind doesn't mean shit. I find people with an "open" mind or claim to have an open mind are just as intellectually dishonest as those with a "closed" mind.
The question is are you going to be intellectually honest or not.
Are you actually going to listen to the evidence and process it honestly?
That is all that matters.



You are being very dishonest right now. You know that is not the measure of effective or not on this site.
Yes BJJ is considered effective so are a large VERY large number of other arts.

You might have a point if you said does your art work in MMA. As a measuring stick. Even that isn't the only measuring stick.

Youre fat arent you

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I think the "Kata" discussion is interesting, because every art including Boxing and BJJ have some form of "kata" I mean we don't call doing line drills, Stability ball work, technique drilling, throwing dummy drilling, CTX drilling, Shadow Boxing "Kata", but that is what those things are, they serve a purpose. I think the key thing here that alive arts know is that you cannot JUST do these things and hope to be any good. You can do the Judo/BJJ warm up every day 8 times a day, followed up by compliant technique drilling for 10 years, and sure you will be a bit better prepared for a fight than the guy that does nothing, but you are going to get your ass handed to you by hell I would say a white belt that has been training properly for 6 months.

I think that's a good point - I tend (with a karate background) of kata being karate forms kata. If you look at it as what you are describing above then I agree that shadow boxing etc is a valid form of training as long as at some stage you do some live sparring.