Five Hard Truths about Martial Arts that you don’t want to believe.

[Dragon Nut]

What.... how did you know?!

[Devil]

Generally speaking, I think personal property is rarely worth risking your life for. It's not that simple, though. The minute somebody sticks a gun in your face or a knife to your throat and you comply with his demands, you're making the choice to trust him with the decision-making about whether you live or die. You're trusting someone with your life. Someone who just stuck a gun in your face.

Personal property isn't important, really. On the other hand, I do have a Rolex Submariner that is my prized possession and has sentimental value to me. There's a good chance that if someone tried to take it from me I'd fight for it, whether they were armed or not. Because fuck that.

[submessenger]

Generally speaking, I think personal property is rarely worth risking your life for. It's not that simple, though. The minute somebody sticks a gun in your face or a knife to your throat and you comply with his demands, you're making the choice to trust him with the decision-making about whether you live or die. You're trusting someone with your life. Someone who just stuck a gun in your face.

Personal property isn't important, really. On the other hand, I do have a Rolex Submariner that is my prized possession and has sentimental value to me. There's a good chance that if someone tried to take it from me I'd fight for it, whether they were armed or not. Because fuck that.

I like that you delineate between Chiclets and sentimental jewelry. A mother fucker asks for some spare change or a piece of gum, I might actually give it to him. But, if he tries to take it by force, he's getting a fight. At that point, I don't care if he's after my used and dirty handkerchief; I will spill his blood. And, before the question is asked, absolutely I would do that with my wife and/or children present. Fuck laying down. I can't possibly win if I don't fight; my progeny should know that first-hand.

[Devil]

I like that you delineate between Chiclets and sentimental jewelry. A mother fucker asks for some spare change or a piece of gum, I might actually give it to him. But, if he tries to take it by force, he's getting a fight. At that point, I don't care if he's after my used and dirty handkerchief; I will spill his blood. And, before the question is asked, absolutely I would do that with my wife and/or children present. Fuck laying down. I can't possibly win if I don't fight; my progeny should know that first-hand.

I'm not necessarily a man of principle. I just really like my watch.

[goodlun]

Generally speaking, I think personal property is rarely worth risking your life for. It's not that simple, though. The minute somebody sticks a gun in your face or a knife to your throat and you comply with his demands, you're making the choice to trust him with the decision-making about whether you live or die. You're trusting someone with your life. Someone who just stuck a gun in your face.

Personal property isn't important, really. On the other hand, I do have a Rolex Submariner that is my prized possession and has sentimental value to me. There's a good chance that if someone tried to take it from me I'd fight for it, whether they were armed or not. Because fuck that.

On the upside, if they wanted to kill they could have just slit your throat or shot you, to begin with. So at least they have shown some restraint at that point. Not that puts you in the clear but until you are at a better tactical advantage it might be worthwhile to follow instructions. Unless of course you are already somehow at the best advantage you could be under the given circumstances.

[Devil]

On the upside, if they wanted to kill they could have just slit your throat or shot you, to begin with. So at least they have shown some restraint at that point. Not that puts you in the clear but until you are at a better tactical advantage it might be worthwhile to follow instructions. Unless of course you are already somehow at the best advantage you could be under the given circumstances.

I don't negotiate with turrurists.

[goodlun]

I don't negotiate with turrurists.

Well, typically the negotiations are done to buy time till you are at an advantage.
As opposed to actually giving them what they want.

[Devil]

Well, typically the negotiations are done to buy time till you are at an advantage.
As opposed to actually giving them what they want.

Whenever I misspell a word you can go ahead and assume I was joking.

[BKR]

I think it is rather worrying that some krav schools are telling housewives that do krav on a weekend can stand a chance against some PCP fuelled mugger.

Leave out the PCP and they still lose...

[BKR]

Yeah Tasers don't do much to those high on PCP another interesting incident:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...07b_story.html

Even though they didn't find PCP in his system but it appears that test isn't very effective.
http://lawofficer.com/2008/12/office...ulis-incident/

A good shot from a TASER will take down a guy, even if on PCP. It's not a pain thing, it's a physiological reaction to the electrical current.

However drive stunning will not work very well if at all, as it depends on pain compliance.

Getting a good shot is the key, though.

[goodlun]

A good shot from a TASER will take down a guy, even if on PCP. It's not a pain thing, it's a physiological reaction to the electrical current.

However drive stunning will not work very well if at all, as it depends on pain compliance.

Getting a good shot is the key, though.

All I know is what I have been told and back in the late 80s early 90s the LAPD was having a hell of a time tasering dust heads, I don't know the type of taser at the time but it was causing some real issue from what I have been told.
From this
https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...t-high-on-PCP/

While you wait for your cover, it is important to remember that PCP is an anesthetic. The usual police control practices will not work. Control holds, pain/compliance techniques will all be ineffective and will put the officer, the suspect and the public at risk. Once all of your officers are on scene, you can now enact your tactical plan. If a TASER deployment is warranted, I find it very effective. If it does not work, it is because it is a model prior to the X26 or you have poor probe placement. There have also been reports that the probes could not penetrate the suspect due to their extreme muscle rigidity.

So I suspect that my information is from a time before the X26.

[BKR]

All I know is what I have been told and back in the late 80s early 90s the LAPD was having a hell of a time tasering dust heads, I don't know the type of taser at the time but it was causing some real issue from what I have been told.
From this
https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...t-high-on-PCP/



So I suspect that my information is from a time before the X26.

Key is "poor probe placement".

TASER is not fool-proof. It has to be a good shot (probe placement) to get best results. Modern TASERs are much better than earlier models, for sure.

[Kovacs]

A good shot from a TASER will take down a guy, even if on PCP. It's not a pain thing, it's a physiological reaction to the electrical current.

However drive stunning will not work very well if at all, as it depends on pain compliance.

Getting a good shot is the key, though.

The same goes with being shot in general.

The bullet proof meth-head is another myth brought to you by the RBSD crowd: Tacticool Division.

Everyone knows a cop who knows a cop who knows a cop who put 8x9mm rounds into a junkie who just wouldn't go down. Yes being unable to feel pain would help to keep someone standing but shattered bones and catastrophic damage to vital organs would put someone away despite what their nerve endings are telling them.

Shooting someone who couldn't feel pain wouldn't be a barrel of laughs but it's a bit of a bogey man story.

[ermghoti]

The same goes with being shot in general.

The bullet proof meth-head is another myth brought to you by the RBSD crowd: Tacticool Division.

Everyone knows a cop who knows a cop who knows a cop who put 8x9mm rounds into a junkie who just wouldn't go down. Yes being unable to feel pain would help to keep someone standing but shattered bones and catastrophic damage to vital organs would put someone away despite what their nerve endings are telling them.

Shooting someone who couldn't feel pain wouldn't be a barrel of laughs but it's a bit of a bogey man story.

"The cops put the PCP in the bullets, so they have an excuse to shoot whoever they want!" -- a cheesy 1980s comedy about a taxi company too obscure to quickly Google.

[Ridgway]

Hi and yes I agree with your statement but I have one of my own as I am that 40 something year old and have had and seen many displays of technical ability against multiple opponents the one thing that they all seem to lack is reality, as in every fight I have experienced with more than one attacker they never come at me one at a time as they do in pretty much every demonstration I have seen so I don't train that way. As for elite fighters I have the up most respect for but again they are in a cage,ring or on the mat facing one attacker so I put it as simple as this although I would not like to face off against one of them on my own as I would surely loose because I am not in there league but against the average person/ person's I feel I have a slight upper hand